Isaac Del Toro thread

[Didinho]

A Mexican in pink. Everybody liked that! Really strong ride, even without the stage win.

Some were thinking he could be in the top 5 if everything goes well. With some minutes in front maybe he can pull this off. We all know the pink jersey gives you something extra. Excited to see how this goes.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Well done, young man! Top 5? No way, he can win the whole thing! By far the strongest rider today.

 

[scribers]

I am BACK on the bandwagon!!

 

[AlfaLum]

He will struggle in the long mountains; he isn’t a real GC threat yet imo. But he was undoubtedly the strongest. Bud is a beast in the making, taking step by step. Awesome ride.

How do you know he will struggle in the real mountains?

 

[James M]

How do you know he will struggle in the real mountains?

I just know things. Nah, but of course, one can't simply rule it out, as he continues to improve and is super, super strong at the moment. But one step at a time—it would be a rather monstrous leap and not likely at all, that's all.

I wouldn't object to it, though. Pog, him, Morgado, and Christen are the only ones who intrigue me about UAE. But think he needs a few years to simultaneously be the strongest in the long mountains too, in a simular field.

 

[Valv.Piti]

How do you know he will struggle in the real mountains?

Nobody knows, he's probably just assuming based on his age and inexperience would be my guess. But I think every who doesn't take Del Toro seriously from now will make a big mistake, because I think he's the favorite at this very moment. He was on an exceptional day today obviously, he's allround, so the only question for me would be the 3 high mountain stages and maybe team tactics. But everyone else has question marks as well

 

[Mayomaniac]

The guy beat Ricitello in l'avenir in the high mountains when he was still an u23 rider on the small Mexican/San Marino club team and did well on the last 3 stages of the Giro della Valle d'Aosta (4th on all 3 mountain stages) while all his teammates had DNFed the race after stage 2. Imo him winning l'Avenir while riding Mexico and being part of a small club team is more impressive than Ayuso's u23 season, he was already coached by Pogacar's coach back then and had the UAE structure already supporting him. IMO Del Toro has more upside.

 

[jmdirt]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkZIKjls8nI

 

[Extinction]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkZIKjls8nI

I only knew this guy was really strong, but these interviews demonstrate he's an affable cool cat as well. I'll be hoping he continues to do well.

 

[red_flanders]

I only knew this guy was really strong, but these interviews demonstrate he's an affable cool cat as well. I'll be hoping he continues to do well.

Been looking for someone to root for in this race. Very quick to laugh and easygoing.

Always interesting to see how much less the actual riders worry about tactics and wheelsucking than the fans. They get it.

 

[Berniece]

He should be able to ride in Pink until at least stage 16. We'll see how he fares then.

 

[Extinction]

Been looking for someone to root for in this race. Very quick to laugh and easygoing.

Always interesting to see how much less the actual riders worry about tactics and wheelsucking than the fans. They get it.

The RAI commentary of Garelli and Panchani highly praised Wout for his tenacity not to abandon the Giro when things looked break. Never mentioned that he was wheelsucking, rather was just at the limit. After the race, interviewed Wout said he was suffering behind Del Toro and just gave everything to hang on up to Piazza del Campo in the hopes of winning the sprint, because he knew the Mexican would get the maglia rossa. Seems legit.

 

[James M]

Del Toro is a pure, exceptional talent. Today was just awesome. Even Wout taking the knee to show respect, and him getting the win—just cool. Thumbs up all around!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924127882881675447

View: https://x.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1924127882881675447

 

[noob]

Del Toro is a pure, exceptional talent. Today was just awesome. Even Wout taking the knee to show respect, and him getting the win—just cool. Thumbs up all around!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924127882881675447

View: https://x.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1924127882881675447

This looks so performative though. I don't necessarily mean they don't mean it, but it just looks so performative. It's not for them, but for the camera forwarded to us who watch them. Maybe in a world they wouldn't have to act a certain way in front of the cameras they still would do it. But here we are watching them feed us.

 

[Links2003]

I am curious to see how UAE will proceed. Del Toro in pink was certainly not plan A. Yesterday Jens Voigt, as a motorcycle reporter for Eurosport/TNT, said that Del Toro's spare bike was in the middle of the car. That would indicate that he is in 4th-5th place in the team hierarchy and that the spare bike for the best riders are on the outside.
UAE now has 4 riders in the top 10, so either they actively drive with all 4 and let them attack. Or you settle on 2 leaders. But it's hard to say at the moment. Del Toro, Ayuso, McNulty have not yet proven that they can win 3 weeks. Yates is certainly not plan A at the moment. So it remains to be seen whether Del Toro gets support - and whether he can do 3 weeks. The future looks promising. However, there are slowly too many possible captains at UAE.

 

[jmdirt]

This looks so performative though. I don't necessarily mean they don't mean it, but it just looks so performative. It's not for them, but for the camera forwarded to us who watch them. Maybe in a world they wouldn't have to act a certain way in front of the cameras they still would do it. But here we are watching them feed us.

Your tinfoil hat thinking would make more sense if V-LB posted instead of UAE. "Even though its fake, they could still mean it"...what?!

Yes, there are cameras everywhere and most of it ends up on social media (sometimes manipulated with AI), but real things still happen. In fact, it would have been weird if they didn't interact afterward. Were TP and MvdP also acting after those races when they were joking around?

 

[Red Rick]

I am curious to see how UAE will proceed. Del Toro in pink was certainly not plan A. Yesterday Jens Voigt, as a motorcycle reporter for Eurosport/TNT, said that Del Toro's spare bike was in the middle of the car. That would indicate that he is in 4th-5th place in the team hierarchy and that the spare bike for the best riders are on the outside.
UAE now has 4 riders in the top 10, so either they actively drive with all 4 and let them attack. Or you settle on 2 leaders. But it's hard to say at the moment. Del Toro, Ayuso, McNulty have not yet proven that they can win 3 weeks. Yates is certainly not plan A at the moment. So it remains to be seen whether Del Toro gets support - and whether he can do 3 weeks. The future looks promising. However, there are slowly too many possible captains at UAE.

Tbh, the current situation shouldn't be that difficult tactically. Del Toro defends, and Ayuso does not need to wait for Del Toro. It helps there's a TT on Tuesday to give more information before any decisions need to be made.

Obviously, there's the idea to use the strength in numbers to be aggressive, but this seems unrealistic simply because we never see this in action when a team has the lead.

 

[Extinction]

This looks so performative though. I don't necessarily mean they don't mean it, but it just looks so performative. It's not for them, but for the camera forwarded to us who watch them. Maybe in a world they wouldn't have to act a certain way in front of the cameras they still would do it. But here we are watching them feed us.

It's really quite simple, two guys gave it their all, one got the stage, the other the maglia rossa. Both went to the limit in different ways, both got a prize. They thus were temporarilly brothers in arms and, temporarilly, affectionate comrades...until the war resumes.

 

[noob]

Your tinfoil hat thinking would make more sense if V-LB posted instead of UAE. "Even though its fake, they could still mean it"...what?!

Yes, there are cameras everywhere and most of it ends up on social media (sometimes manipulated with AI), but real things still happen. In fact, it would have been weird if they didn't interact afterward. Were TP and MvdP also acting after those races when they were joking around?

TLDR: just autistic knee jerk reaction and musings. No hate.

I think it's more like it's night and I got on philosophical sleepy mode. (Maybe a post for the state of the forum thread 🤣) but also just pure instinct on my part. Brain fires "fake". Brain won't stop fingers from writing and posting 🤣

Since you asked for a comparison to Pog and MvdP; Pog doesn't come off as the slightest authentic to me so I'd rather not comment on him 🤣 MvdP feels much more emotional to me. He's comes off mentally like a child, very fragile. Almost painfully authentic sometimes.

Del Toro looks a bit awkward here. Wout (even in in general) comes off as a bit awkward. The situation is a bit awkward, that might cause my reaction. Hence I won't say they don't mean it. Because I'm merely an outsider watching. I don't know what's running in their heads.

My musing on cameras is much more just musings, even if I believe there's science to back up that people change in front of a camera.

I believe if I had a tinfoil hat on I wouldn't question my own thoughts so probably no tinfoil hat but what do I know

 

[noob]

It's really quite simple, two guys gave it their all, one got the stage, the other the maglia rossa. Both went to the limit in different ways, both got a prize. They thus were temporarilly brothers in arms and, temporarilly, affectionate comrades...until the war resumes.

But they look so awkward 😬 🤣

It's part of the reason I watch cycling and not football though.

Maybe the average cyclist awkwardness level is like Messi 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰

 

[SHAD0W93]

I’m on the Del Toro pulling a Damiano Cunego hype train with Ayuso third and Roglic second.

 

[Extinction]

My musing on cameras is much more just musings, even if I believe there's science to back up that people change in front of a camera.

I don't think they had the energy or desire to "do one for the audience on camera" fake take. Besides they embraced immediately after the finish, which amidst the tumult was so fleating that it was bearly caught on camera. Being on the teams they are, they should hate eachother. Instead we saw mutual joy and respect, because two champions put on an exceptional show in a race that will go down in the chronicles for this year. The genuine embraces arrose spontaneously as a result.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I’m on the Del Toro pulling a Damiano Cunego hype train with Ayuso third and Roglic second.

I'd go with Roglic first Del Toro second and Ayuso third, and small gaps which cause UAE fans to really question that they didn't completely go with just one leader from the beginning of the second week on. TT can totally change this though.