Isaac Del Toro thread

[Samu Cuenca]

This part I agree with, you need racing balls to win and Del Toro's winning racing balls haven't quite dropped yet. Hopefully they will sometime in the near future.

Perhaps he's more of a Chicago Bull; he's got plenty of balls, but he doesn't always know what to do with them, and if he's up against two guys he will only mark one of them. He was also at his best before Airyuso Jordan retired.

 

[Unchained]

Just such positive potential for social media, including posts,threads here. And because I believe, maybe wrongly that majority of people reading are cycling fans, and a smaller subset that I include myself in ..post( too often) I think that some negative opinions may have disproportionate value compared to overall CN readership.
Some self reflection is surely needed, a guy has a bad day on the bike, his balls haven't dropped, can't add 2+2, is a coward, is different than other examples of riders blowing a single ride that costs them the overall.
The main difference between previous riders making mistakes is people don't feel like complete slobbering idiots by being able to tie the position of a rider's genitals because of a failed outing. Forgetting completely the math that had flawed rider maintaining an impossible lead for multiple stages, including multiple seconds, and 1 first place finish.
Losing a bike race hardly deserves cracks about a man's testicles or if simple addition is beyond his ability because of a bicycle race loss.

Remco fell off his bike and internet genius pool, shallow no doubt, concluded it was clearly, obvious to all that it was because of his wife's religion, her family, some soothing meditation that Remco said was helpful, were reasons for anti religious blather.
I want those, even in jest suggesting that a riders gonads position, up or down being winning, losing criteria, wife's religion.. Will the UCI test for new items of importance?
And where do ex stand outs like Robbie McEwen and company position in when and if Del Toro's balls have dropped. These commentators all suggested almost verbatim of smart strategy for Del Toro to follow, which he did and it turned out to be wrong.
Does anyone think it's a reasonable question to McEwen, did you consider Del Toro's balls before suggesting a race strategy?
It should be clear to Cycling News that the reason that pro riders don't go interactive or frequent feedback on fourm, instead of Facebook, Instagram or Twitter is likely the lack of serious exchange or logic used by some fraction of posters. If people watch, enjoy, study the sport you can't expect to be taken seriously by making bizarre connections to disability or religion, puberty, brain development, ect ,ect,ect to a single lost bike race.
If you can make those conclusions, it's best to stay here, don't go outside, we are all better off. The causation conclusion made here is obviously less dangerous, in real life people are using same logic, in Boulder, in DC, ect

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Just such positive potential for social media, including posts,threads here. And because I believe, maybe wrongly that majority of people reading are cycling fans, and a smaller subset that I include myself in ..post( too often) I think that some negative opinions may have disproportionate value compared to overall CN readership.
Some self reflection is surely needed, a guy has a bad day on the bike, his balls haven't dropped, can't add 2+2, is a coward, is different than other examples of riders blowing a single ride that costs them the overall.
The main difference between previous riders making mistakes is people don't feel like complete slobbering idiots by being able to tie the position of a rider's genitals because of a failed outing. Forgetting completely the math that had flawed rider maintaining an impossible lead for multiple stages, including multiple seconds, and 1 first place finish.
Losing a bike race hardly deserves cracks about a man's testicles or if simple addition is beyond his ability because of a bicycle race loss.

Remco fell off his bike and internet genius pool, shallow no doubt, concluded it was clearly, obvious to all that it was because of his wife's religion, her family, some soothing meditation that Remco said was helpful, were reasons for anti religious blather.
I want those, even in jest suggesting that a riders gonads position, up or down being winning, losing criteria, wife's religion.. Will the UCI test for new items of importance?
And where do ex stand outs like Robbie McEwen and company position in when and if Del Toro's balls have dropped. These commentators all suggested almost verbatim of smart strategy for Del Toro to follow, which he did and it turned out to be wrong.
Does anyone think it's a reasonable question to McEwen, did you consider Del Toro's balls before suggesting a race strategy?
It should be clear to Cycling News that the reason that pro riders don't go interactive or frequent feedback on fourm, instead of Facebook, Instagram or Twitter is likely the lack of serious exchange or logic used by some fraction of posters. If people watch, enjoy, study the sport you can't expect to be taken seriously by making bizarre connections to disability or religion, puberty, brain development, ect ,ect,ect to a single lost bike race.
If you can make those conclusions, it's best to stay here, don't go outside, we are all better off. The causation conclusion made here is obviously less dangerous, in real life people are using same logic, in Boulder, in DC, ect

Dang, why so serious?

I don't think most pros bother to read this forum because they have better things to do, so what I and others have to say is of no consequence to them. And, speaking only for myself, it should hopefully be clear that I like Del Toro and I hope he will mature into a GT winner!

And I also think balls are funny, which I do admit is kind of immature.

 

[noob]

Just such positive potential for social media, including posts,threads here. And because I believe, maybe wrongly that majority of people reading are cycling fans, and a smaller subset that I include myself in ..post( too often) I think that some negative opinions may have disproportionate value compared to overall CN readership.
Some self reflection is surely needed, a guy has a bad day on the bike, his balls haven't dropped, can't add 2+2, is a coward, is different than other examples of riders blowing a single ride that costs them the overall.
The main difference between previous riders making mistakes is people don't feel like complete slobbering idiots by being able to tie the position of a rider's genitals because of a failed outing. Forgetting completely the math that had flawed rider maintaining an impossible lead for multiple stages, including multiple seconds, and 1 first place finish.
Losing a bike race hardly deserves cracks about a man's testicles or if simple addition is beyond his ability because of a bicycle race loss.

Remco fell off his bike and internet genius pool, shallow no doubt, concluded it was clearly, obvious to all that it was because of his wife's religion, her family, some soothing meditation that Remco said was helpful, were reasons for anti religious blather.
I want those, even in jest suggesting that a riders gonads position, up or down being winning, losing criteria, wife's religion.. Will the UCI test for new items of importance?
And where do ex stand outs like Robbie McEwen and company position in when and if Del Toro's balls have dropped. These commentators all suggested almost verbatim of smart strategy for Del Toro to follow, which he did and it turned out to be wrong.
Does anyone think it's a reasonable question to McEwen, did you consider Del Toro's balls before suggesting a race strategy?
It should be clear to Cycling News that the reason that pro riders don't go interactive or frequent feedback on fourm, instead of Facebook, Instagram or Twitter is likely the lack of serious exchange or logic used by some fraction of posters. If people watch, enjoy, study the sport you can't expect to be taken seriously by making bizarre connections to disability or religion, puberty, brain development, ect ,ect,ect to a single lost bike race.
If you can make those conclusions, it's best to stay here, don't go outside, we are all better off. The causation conclusion made here is obviously less dangerous, in real life people are using same logic, in Boulder, in DC, ect

I never thought there would come a day since twitter became X where someone would talk about twitter as having sensible discussions compared to a forum where people quite oftentimes uses their brains. Maybe if all analysis you read is filtered through PR, but even then it's a stretch. Same goes for Facebook.

I think the bullying of Del Toro is far too much though. I don't like it.


(gets up on soap box)
Whether riders reads here or not I don't know. The point of forums oftentimes is the in depth discussions you don't get on short form social media (where you're served content in your own bubble for the sheer point of staying active as long as possible to see as many ads as possible).

On every forum there's a huge huge over representation of true nerds, no matter the topic. That is the heart of forum as a media. They are not trying to be seen or heard by public. They wouldn't go start podcasts or youtube channels. They don't try to farm points on social media to add to their ad revenues. They are at a forum because they wan't to discuss the topic. They're topic oriented not people trying to make a career out of discussing topics.

They hold the lowest and the highest analyses that might be incomprehensible for most, and it's all they are.

Please don't hate on either Del Toro or forums! (of soap box)

 

[Sciatic]

Just such positive potential for social media, including posts,threads here. And because I believe, maybe wrongly that majority of people reading are cycling fans, and a smaller subset that I include myself in ..post( too often) I think that some negative opinions may have disproportionate value compared to overall CN readership.
Some self reflection is surely needed, a guy has a bad day on the bike, his balls haven't dropped, can't add 2+2, is a coward, is different than other examples of riders blowing a single ride that costs them the overall.
The main difference between previous riders making mistakes is people don't feel like complete slobbering idiots by being able to tie the position of a rider's genitals because of a failed outing. Forgetting completely the math that had flawed rider maintaining an impossible lead for multiple stages, including multiple seconds, and 1 first place finish.
Losing a bike race hardly deserves cracks about a man's testicles or if simple addition is beyond his ability because of a bicycle race loss.

Remco fell off his bike and internet genius pool, shallow no doubt, concluded it was clearly, obvious to all that it was because of his wife's religion, her family, some soothing meditation that Remco said was helpful, were reasons for anti religious blather.
I want those, even in jest suggesting that a riders gonads position, up or down being winning, losing criteria, wife's religion.. Will the UCI test for new items of importance?
And where do ex stand outs like Robbie McEwen and company position in when and if Del Toro's balls have dropped. These commentators all suggested almost verbatim of smart strategy for Del Toro to follow, which he did and it turned out to be wrong.
Does anyone think it's a reasonable question to McEwen, did you consider Del Toro's balls before suggesting a race strategy?
It should be clear to Cycling News that the reason that pro riders don't go interactive or frequent feedback on fourm, instead of Facebook, Instagram or Twitter is likely the lack of serious exchange or logic used by some fraction of posters. If people watch, enjoy, study the sport you can't expect to be taken seriously by making bizarre connections to disability or religion, puberty, brain development, ect ,ect,ect to a single lost bike race.
If you can make those conclusions, it's best to stay here, don't go outside, we are all better off. The causation conclusion made here is obviously less dangerous, in real life people are using same logic, in Boulder, in DC, ect

I think I may not understand your whole post but I get the drift. But where you make the comparison to other social media is a bizarre take (to me). In terms of intelligible conversation, Facebook, X, etc are at one end of the spectrum and this forum is at the other. First, there is no algorithm that determines what we see and pushes less desirable posts down out of sight. Second, unless a topic really blows up, threads on social media are short-lived—if you live in the wrong time zone from where the discussion start the thread has already died out. There are posters who have been here for 15 years, have a massive amount of cycling knowledge that I trust because what they say has been consistent over the years. And after a while the positions/perspectives of the regulars become well known, so that even if something posted seems wacky I don’t respond because I know “oh that’s X, talking crap about Y as usual.” And more than ever, commercial social media are dominated by brand promotion, product placement, influencer hooks, which rise and fall with what’s popular at the time. Whereas the vast majority of folks here enjoy or care about cycling, and want to engage in dialogue/banter/arguments about it.

 

[Sciatic]

Just such positive potential for social media, including posts,threads here. And because I believe, maybe wrongly that majority of people reading are cycling fans, and a smaller subset that I include myself in ..post( too often) I think that some negative opinions may have disproportionate value compared to overall CN readership.
Some self reflection is surely needed, a guy has a bad day on the bike, his balls haven't dropped, can't add 2+2, is a coward, is different than other examples of riders blowing a single ride that costs them the overall.
The main difference between previous riders making mistakes is people don't feel like complete slobbering idiots by being able to tie the position of a rider's genitals because of a failed outing. Forgetting completely the math that had flawed rider maintaining an impossible lead for multiple stages, including multiple seconds, and 1 first place finish.
Losing a bike race hardly deserves cracks about a man's testicles or if simple addition is beyond his ability because of a bicycle race loss.

Remco fell off his bike and internet genius pool, shallow no doubt, concluded it was clearly, obvious to all that it was because of his wife's religion, her family, some soothing meditation that Remco said was helpful, were reasons for anti religious blather.
I want those, even in jest suggesting that a riders gonads position, up or down being winning, losing criteria, wife's religion.. Will the UCI test for new items of importance?
And where do ex stand outs like Robbie McEwen and company position in when and if Del Toro's balls have dropped. These commentators all suggested almost verbatim of smart strategy for Del Toro to follow, which he did and it turned out to be wrong.
Does anyone think it's a reasonable question to McEwen, did you consider Del Toro's balls before suggesting a race strategy?
It should be clear to Cycling News that the reason that pro riders don't go interactive or frequent feedback on fourm, instead of Facebook, Instagram or Twitter is likely the lack of serious exchange or logic used by some fraction of posters. If people watch, enjoy, study the sport you can't expect to be taken seriously by making bizarre connections to disability or religion, puberty, brain development, ect ,ect,ect to a single lost bike race.
If you can make those conclusions, it's best to stay here, don't go outside, we are all better off. The causation conclusion made here is obviously less dangerous, in real life people are using same logic, in Boulder, in DC, ect

As far as your objection to posters who comment about “personal” aspects (intellect, mental stability, family upbringing, whatever) of riders lives, we of course have absolutely no clue about. I can see how that creates a poor environment for you and some others. However you seem to be on a moral crusade suggesting that this is horrid behavior, when in fact it’s just a demonstration of how the human brain works: it always searches for explanations and when there is very little (or no) valid information to explain something, then our brains “make up” possible connections, sometimes plausible sometimes not. Folks have little control about what pops into their head (unless severely repressed) and an outside person or rule can’t stop those thoughts. So in terms of a possible request, are you wanting posters to refrain from typing. those thoughts that are in their head because it seems disrespectful? Like put a lid on it (or ”zip it”) somehow? Personally I don’t know purpose that would serve. We’re not saying things to riders or publishing crud it in the media-sphere, it’s just being tossed around in here. If it’s keeping riders themselves from joining in, I guess that’s an issue for you but not for me.

 

[Gratemans]

Dang, why so serious?

I don't think most pros bother to read this forum because they have better things to do, so what I and others have to say is of no consequence to them. And, speaking only for myself, it should hopefully be clear that I like Del Toro and I hope he will mature into a GT winner!

And I also think balls are funny, which I do admit is kind of immature.

Balls are funny.
Also: whenever I read something from the member you quoted, I know I'm in for a serious Jack Kerouac-style, stream-of-conscious experience. No offense meant btw, it's just an observation on his style of typing.

I never thought there would come a day since twitter became X where someone would talk about twitter as having sensible discussions compared to a forum where people quite oftentimes uses their brains.

And this.
The so-called "socials" are a cesspool where the most vile sides of humans are exposed. For the life of me I can't understand how anyone could believe they provide a more nuanced view of... well, anything?

 

[scribers]

I support his moral crusade. Completely sensible

 

[noob]

I support his moral crusade. Completely sensible

Was Del Toro on a moral crusade? Or do you mean someone else? 🤔

 

[jmdirt]

Also: whenever I read something from the member you quoted, I know I'm in for a serious Jack Kerouac-style, stream-of-conscious experience. No offense meant btw, it's just an observation on his style of typing.

Unchained is a story teller, easily the most interesting member to read IMO. His posts are a mix of the topic at hand, the current climate, and his own experience, all woven together. He has an extensive cycling knowledge that underlies his prose. Its important to know for this thread that he lives in the same area as IdT. I won't speak for him, but I bet that he has a little 'closer feeling' about this kids than most people have about the riders they follow.

Great reference to Kerouac! I read something of his in the 80s (crazy title...) and while it confused me at first, I ended up really liking it.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Slightly off topic, but Kerouac is just too much pretentious Beatnik fluff for me. The most accessible work, The Dharma Bums is good when the people actually do stuff, but the dialoges reek of pretentious, out of touch beatnik/proto-hippie bs. Just my 2 cents. For the record, I do love T. C. Boyle's work.

 

[jmdirt]

Slightly off topic, but Kerouac is just too much pretentious Beatnik fluff for me. The most accessible work, The Dharma Bums is good when the people actually do stuff, but the dialoges reek of pretentious, out of touch beatnik/proto-hippie bs. Just my 2 cents. For the record, I do love T. C. Boyle's work.

Its been 40 ish years since I read it so I don't remember anything other than it being different, and therefore more interesting/entertaining, than anything I read to that point in my life.

I had forgotten that they called that type of prose beatnik. Were they anarchists? I need to do some googling now...

EDIT: and sorry for the OT!

 

[topcat]

Slightly off topic, but Kerouac is just too much pretentious Beatnik fluff for me. The most accessible work, The Dharma Bums is good when the people actually do stuff, but the dialoges reek of pretentious, out of touch beatnik/proto-hippie bs. Just my 2 cents. For the record, I do love T. C. Boyle's work.

On the road is one of the greatest novels. It should be compulsory reading for all forumites.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Racing with "balls" is a good thing. The problem arises when riders start thinking with them.

Also, I believe Unchained is the official poet laureate of Cyclingnews. Or should be.