Italy: "After the storm, the Tsunami."

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Benotti69 said:
I wonder is RCS Sport gonna do an ASO and ban any rider under investigation by CONI??

edit:was Petacchi under investigation last year and still rode, but had to quit early due to his bronchitis?

If I am not mistaken it was after the Giro, but before the Tour that he was under investigation
 
It would seem RR is on to something (that isn't news, of course, but we should acknowledge it every now and then).

http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-deportiva/la-gazzetta-dello-sport-15-aprile-2011/ (page 31)
Un pool mondiale per incastrare il dottor Ferrari

Cinque russi, che vivono in Spagna. Scarponi, marchigiano. Bertagnolli, trentino trapiantato in Romagna. Sono i primi sette nomi di un elenco che è composto da tanti fogli. Quelli di un'inchiesta segretissima, nata in Francia un anno fa, e rafforzata con il sostegno di Stati Uniti e Svizzera. Epicentro Padova, obiettivo Ferrara, medico Michele Ferrari. Coinvolgerebbe un centinaio di persone, non soltanto ciclisti.

Al quarto piano della Procura della Repubblica di Padova c'è l'ufficio del p.m. Benedetto Roberti, il magistrato-cicloamatore che da tre anni conduce le indagini più scottanti del doping in Italia. Con significative ramificazioni internazionali, comedimostrò il filone dell'Epo-Cera in arrivo dai Balcani. Riccò, Rebellin, Sella, Priamo, Di Luca, Bernucci, Petacchi: si sonotutti seduti davanti a lui, e hanno parlato, eccome. Ma dal 2010 il p.m. Roberti ha anche un altro incarico: coordina il gruppo internazionale di lavoro chesta cercando le prove dell'eventuale doping di Lance Armstrong. Ricordate? Afine luglio, nella sede dell'Interpol a Lione, si sono seduti Jeff Novitzky, l’agente federale della Food and Drug administration (lo stesso che scovò il doping di Marion Jones nell'affare Balco, e la portò in prigione per falsa testimonianza: lei avevanegato), l'Interpol, la Guardia Civil spagnola, la polizia francese, Roberti e i suoi fedelissimi, gli agenti della Finanza di Padova e i carabinieri del Nas di Firenze: menti storiche della battaglia al doping in Italia.

Gli americani hanno chiesto un aiuto per raccogliere prove contro Armstrong, gli europei si sono concentrati per trovare elementi utili alla ramificazione internazionale del doping. I due filoni si uniscono nella figura di Michele Ferrari, il preparatore storico del texano e delle sue squadre, che vive tra Ferrara, Montecarlo e Sankt Moritz, in Svizzera: ecco l'appoggio della polizia elvetica per monitoraregli spostamenti degli atleti. La materia è delicatissima. E, se fossimo i corridori, saremmo molto preoccupati. Anche se assolto due volte nel 2006 nel processo d'appello a Bologna per frode sportiva (reato prescritto), doping farmacologico ed esercizio abusivo della professione di farmacista, dopo la condanna a 1 anno in primo grado, Ferrari è un medico inibito dal Coni: nessun tesserato può frequentarlo, pena una squalificada 3 a 6 mesi. Come capitò a Di Luca con il medico Santuccione.

Tra i corridori che sono stati perquisiti ieri da Carabinieri e Finanza, ci sono atleti sicuramente legati a Ferrari: Leonardo Bertagnolli, visto allenare negli anni scorsi nella zona di Livigno-Sankt Moritz; il russo Gusev, per tre stagioni in formazioni seguite da Ferrari (2006 e 2007 con la Discovery Channel di Johan Bruyneel, ex team di Armstrong, e il 2008 con l’Astana di Vinokourov, altro «allievo» del dottore ferrarese); il russo Petrov è passato quest'anno all'Astana; un altro russo, Karpets, ha corso per 6 stagioni nel gruppo spagnolo di Valverde, pure associato a Ferrari. Mentre Scarponi sarebbe la clamorosa new-entry stagionale. In più, i cinque russi vivono tutti in Spagna, centro delle operazioni di Armstrong. Il cerchio non è chiuso, ma diventa soffocante.
It's pretty encouraging to see Switzerland is involved.
 
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luckyboy said:
Wow well this is all very interesting. First Lampre and now Katusha.
Hope something big comes out of this.

what do you mean?? this happens every year before giro and nothing ever comes out of it. if you know italian culture you understand this. they need to grab attention to keep getting money from authoritys and what better way then to make noise right before giro when italy is in cycling spirit.
 
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hrotha said:
NAS paid Scarponi a visit at Mount Etna. Is this getting super interesting or what.

no it's not, didn't tehy raid petacchi earlier this year for the umtieth time and nothing was found AGAIN.

and you know what they found at scarponi's? milkpowder and energy bars that they took with them for more investigation. lol it's getting pathetic now. at least they used to find needles and stuff.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
no it's not, didn't tehy raid petacchi earlier this year for the umtieth time and nothing was found AGAIN.

and you know what they found at scarponi's? milkpowder and energy bars that they took with them for more investigation. lol it's getting pathetic now. at least they used to find needles and stuff.
Is that what you think or what you hope?
Yes, according to Scarponi's team they found milkpowder and energy bars. Still, even if they didn't find anything that doesn't mean they didn't have good reasons to search. Lampre is closely watched, that's what matters right now.

As for the whole "it's Italian culture yadda yadda" thing, you forget there's other countries involved.
 
The Hitch said:
What are the chances that other sports will get caught in around this (there have to be some connections) or will the investigators make sure not to touch more protected and valuable sports?
"Coinvolgerebbe un centinaio di persone, non soltanto ciclisti."
("A hundred people involved, not just cyclists")

We'll see.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
no it's not, didn't tehy raid petacchi earlier this year for the umtieth time and nothing was found AGAIN.

and you know what they found at scarponi's? milkpowder and energy bars that they took with them for more investigation. lol it's getting pathetic now. at least they used to find needles and stuff.

Milkpowder?

OK, when I was young and we lived about 1,000 km from the nearest cow we made milk from powder. But that was almost 50 years ago.

What would a professional cyclist need milk powder in his room for?
 
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frenchfry said:
Milkpowder?

OK, when I was young and we lived about 1,000 km from the nearest cow we made milk from powder. But that was almost 50 years ago.

What would a professional cyclist need milk powder in his room for?

Powder for milk? Like to make up a recovery milk shake probably.
 
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R.0.t.O said:
Powder for milk? Like to make up a recovery milk shake probably.

So the pros carry milk powder, refrigerators full of ice cream, and mixers to make themselves milkshakes? And they keep all this in their individual rooms.

That makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of it myself.
 
frenchfry said:
Milkpowder?

OK, when I was young and we lived about 1,000 km from the nearest cow we made milk from powder. But that was almost 50 years ago.

What would a professional cyclist need milk powder in his room for?
they never give you enough cream for your coffee :D
 
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frenchfry said:
So the pros carry milk powder, refrigerators full of ice cream, and mixers to make themselves milkshakes? And they keep all this in their individual rooms.

That makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of it myself.

I would think it was more like, milk powder, protein-powder, water and then shake it, maybe ad a banana or somthing. Icecream is probably too fatty :p

Else he just likes it for his coffee, he wouldnt be the first.

To jump on milk powder as being suspicious is a bit silly, even by clinic standards :D
 
frenchfry said:
So the pros carry milk powder, refrigerators full of ice cream, and mixers to make themselves milkshakes? And they keep all this in their individual rooms.

That makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of it myself.

So what do you think they really use the powder for?

Must be this!
 
It's pretty simple, really. Scarponi was smart enough to not have any incriminating stuff lyring around in his hotel room (it was a training camp so it's not out of the question that he'd have a little pharmacy in there). The police didn't find anything, but took the milkpowder just in case (they were already there so it's not like making sure it was actually milkpowder was a big effort). Lampre-ISD capitalized on that fact to make the investigation look less serious.
 
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frenchfry said:
So the pros carry milk powder, refrigerators full of ice cream, and mixers to make themselves milkshakes? And they keep all this in their individual rooms.

That makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of it myself.

Icecream??

But no I wouldn't be surprised for a pro to have a tub of powder that he mixes up with milk to make a recovery drink. Most cyclists in my club travel with something like that for a training camp, it's normal. By the time you translate that from Italian to English it could easily end up as 'powdered milk', or in fact it may be convenient to have actual powdered milk so you don't have to worry about a fridge. In his own room? Of course, so you can have your recovery drink straight away after your ride at the same time as going for a shower and getting changed.

We don't even know how long he was in Sicily. If he was only there for 3 or 4 days maybe he didn't even bring any doping kit with him.
 
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hrotha said:
Is that what you think or what you hope?
Yes, according to Scarponi's team they found milkpowder and energy bars. Still, even if they didn't find anything that doesn't mean they didn't have good reasons to search. Lampre is closely watched, that's what matters right now.

As for the whole "it's Italian culture yadda yadda" thing, you forget there's other countries involved.

they are closely watched for somethin they suspect happened 5 years ago. if that's a good reason then fine but they should shut their mouth until something has actually happened. coni is always full of sh*t but in 10 years the only thing they got done well was valverde. and for that they had to hit the news like every week for 2 years long instead of taking care of it in silence. petacchi has been a victim by them for at least 6 years now and they managed to suspend him for 4 months for using something he had against astmatics. lol
 
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frenchfry said:
Milkpowder?

OK, when I was young and we lived about 1,000 km from the nearest cow we made milk from powder. But that was almost 50 years ago.

What would a professional cyclist need milk powder in his room for?

because they can make their own shakes with it. all sorts of powders are used. where I'm from many take shakes. personally I don;t believe to much in them but my god it's definely nothing of a crime. :rolleyes:
 
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euanli said:
milk powder = whey protein?

the source mentioned milk power. of course it could have been whey power used for recovery by many riders...

anyway, the logic behind confiscating the power is straightforward - the police wants to make that the package contained what it said since the cheaters often substitute containers for masking other drugs...remember toothpaste stories ?:)
 
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hrotha said:
It would seem RR is on to something (that isn't news, of course, but we should acknowledge it every now and then).

http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-deportiva/la-gazzetta-dello-sport-15-aprile-2011/ (page 31)

It's pretty encouraging to see Switzerland is involved.

Some interesting points in this article, most of which I have been writing about for a while

-The investigation started in France over a year ago (Transfusion kits?)
-The Balken Mafia is mentioned. A key part of the investigation is the large scale distribution of PED's
-Bertagnolli,Gusev, Karpets linked to Ferrari

Some good quotes

if we were the riders, we would be very worried

The circle is not closed, but it becomes suffocating.