Italy: "After the storm, the Tsunami."

[skippythepinhead]

No wonder that guy get's the big bucks.

He certainly earns his $1000/hr or whatever he's milking this one for.

 

[Topangarider]

Some theories:
.....

This tends to indicate that any USPS investigation regarding doping abroad has gone as far as the feds can take it alone. After all this time, there's either sealed indictments pertaining to team doping (and associated fraud) or nothing (my bet is nothing).

This is way more interesting than Festina!

Doping abroad is one part of this for LA right? And
maybe a small part? But until we know the grand narrative it's pretty difficult to say what the facts mean.

 

[hrotha]

"Government sources are leaking inaccurate rumors to create the false impression that this taxpayer-money-wasting fishing expedition actually has a purpose," Fabiani said.

Wow. This has to be satire.

 

[MarkvW]

very difficult

Doping abroad is one part of this for LA right? And
maybe a small part? But until we know the grand narrative it's pretty difficult to say what the facts mean.

Yes. I hope that the grand narrative is sometime made available. My bet is that somebody will be indicted, because the continuing investment of big fed resources suggests prosecutorial confidence. We'll learn a lot in that case.

I was told on this forum that the feds are "out to get" LA, but I haven't seen any indication that LA is the target of a GJ investigation. There is no clear indicator that he is going to be charged with anything. For all we know, he could have testified truthfully under a grant of immunity. Regarding Armstrong, it is all pure speculation. The feds are doing an awesome job of keeping everything close to the vest.

 

[MarkvW]

Joke of the Year

"Government sources are leaking inaccurate rumors to create the false impression that this taxpayer-money-wasting fishing expedition actually has a purpose," Fabiani said.

Didn't he mean "Gubment"?

That could be the greatest single sentence talking point combo of all time. No wonder that guy get's the big bucks.

Fabiani is a paid spokesman. His information sources are no better than ours. He has no way of knowing whether the feds are merely prospecting or mining the mother lode.

He reminds me of Baghdad Bob.

 

[mewmewmew13]

]"Government sources are leaking inaccurate rumors to create the false impression that this taxpayer-money-wasting fishing expedition actually has a purpose," Fabiani said.[/B]

<...>

He forgot to throw in "witch hunt". Guess 'fishing expedition' is his alternate default.

..just got home and saw the CN article and THANK YOU Hog!!
This just made my day!

bring on the popcorn...

 

[Kennf1]

Wow. This has to be satire.

How does one "leak" a rumor anyway. Don't you just "start" a rumor?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

current katusha russians who live in spain:


Karpets - Euges (Navarra - Spain)
Kolobnev - Deya (Spain)
Vorganov - Ponteareas (Spain)
Silin - Ponteareas (Spain)

katusha spaniards who live in spain

Horrach
Rodriguez
Moreno
Losada

Source:
http://www.katushateam.com/2010/index.php?p=team

No one has mentioned Kyrienka(sp). Maybe not one of the more stellar riders but I have allways admired his guts so here's hoping he isn't the Russian living in Spain but not with Katusha.

There are a couple of problems with calling out Kiryienka. The first, as already noted, is that he is Belarusian, not Russian. The second is that the comment was 5 Russians, all of which live in Spain, all of which have raced for Katyusha of which 4 still do. Vasil Kiryienka has never raced for Katyusha - he went straight from Tinkoff in '08 to Caisse d'Epargne.

However, one of the Russians mentioned has a notable hometown. Said hometown is the small town of Egüés, Navarra. That this rider is Vladimir Karpets is especially unsurprising when you consider that this town is the home of Abarcá Sports.

Kiryienka's adoptive hometown is Pamplona.

Very surprised Isaychev doesn't live in Spain though.

 

[Race Radio]

Paid Spokesman is an insult to all the real paid spokesmen out there.....Like Orenthal

Paid liar is a better description

 

[Polish]

How does one "leak" a rumor anyway. Don't you just "start" a rumor?

You "leak" a rumour so someone ELSE can "start" it.

Novitsky and Fabiani are Pro's lol.

Lot of groundwork to be laid.....
Lot of prep work.

Novitsky needs a unanimous jury decision.
A Witch Hunt with ALL the townspeople grabbing torches.

And Fabiani needs only one hold-out.
Of course, more than one holdout is fine for him too.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Fabiani is a paid spokesman. His information sources are no better than ours. He has no way of knowing whether the feds are merely prospecting or mining the mother lode.

He reminds me of Baghdad Bob.

If that's the case, I'm getting a good chuckle out of LA footing the bill for spin he could get for free from Polish or Flicker...

 

[MarkvW]

Difficult Client?

How does one "leak" a rumor anyway. Don't you just "start" a rumor?

Some people fight to represent their client in the best way possible. If your client is an aggressive bossy type, maybe you shift your focus away from serving the client in the best manner possible and toward simply pleasing your client.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yes. I hope that the grand narrative is sometime made available. My bet is that somebody will be indicted, because the continuing investment of big fed resources suggests prosecutorial confidence. We'll learn a lot in that case.

I was told on this forum that the feds are "out to get" LA, but I haven't seen any indication that LA is the target of a GJ investigation. There is no clear indicator that he is going to be charged with anything. For all we know, he could have testified truthfully under a grant of immunity. Regarding Armstrong, it is all pure speculation. The feds are doing an awesome job of keeping everything close to the vest.

That Pharmstrong will be convicted with anything remains an open question. Charges? Probably. The entire Tailwind team probably will deny until the day they plea a deal. Tailwind needs to keep hiding behind cancer awareness to keep the money train moving. Working a plea would be the best way, followed by a tear-filled Oprah special with Gunderson stating "I doped, cheated, threatened, lied and bribed for cancer awareness." It worked for Marion Jones.

One thing is for sure, they need to keep the grand jury testimony sealed. It would likely damage the Livestrong money machine.

 

[Benotti69]

Some people fight to represent their client in the best way possible. If your client is an aggressive bossy type, maybe you shift your focus away from serving the client in the best manner possible and toward simply pleasing your client.

coke, marijuana and hookers that look like your clients mom.

 

[MarkvW]

Paid Spokesman is an insult to all the real paid spokesmen out there.....Like Orenthal

Paid liar is a better description

That's an unsophisticated way of looking at it. Image consultants focus on the message, hammering on the message, focusing on the message, always on the message. They want their message to dominate in the marketplace of ideas. Lies do not fit into that game plan. They use the selective application of truth. They emphasize the good and ignore the bad, as their plan dictates.

Any lies told by image consultants are usually lies of omission. Getting caught in a lie distracts from the message. Lies are to be avoided.

It's hammer, hammer, hammer . . . Like the old TV commercials used to hammer their stupid jingles at you.

So I wouldn't say that Fabiani is a paid liar (even if it wasn't defamatory). He is a person who only highlights the good. Of course he gives Lance the benefit of a doubt. Nobody has proven Lance a liar. He's entitled to the benefit of the doubt . . . say the image consultants.

The image consultant will retire from the scene when the excrement hits the fan.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The image consultant will retire from the scene when the excrement hits the fan.

Or to put that another way they will be laid off.

 

[mewmewmew13]

On Velonation....updated. Not sure if there is anything new here but I like where it's headed.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...ari-prior-to-2010-Tour-de-France-updated.aspx

...they're backscrambling to sound like they are not caught with their pants down.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Nobody has proven Lance a liar.

Really? What about (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I never gave the UCI any money." Then "I gave the UCI some money." and finally "I gave the UCI a $#!+load of money." ?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Nobody has proven Lance a liar. He's entitled to the benefit of the doubt . . . say the image consultants.

Nice pause. I appreciate it when a liar employs a dramatic flair...

Seriously? Is that what it's come down to? I've grown to expect a little more out of you guys...

 

[MarkvW]

Context?

Really? What about (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I never gave the UCI any money." Then "I gave the UCI some money." and finally "I gave the UCI a $#!+load of money." ?

You've got to read that passage in context. I'm talking about his mouthpiece. The mouthpiece can claim that Armstrong was never PROVEN (I said "proven") a liar. "Proven" is a word of many meanings. A mouthpiece can stretch those meanings very far.

I'm not talking about whether or not Armstrong was or was not in fact a liar.

 

[MarkvW]

"You guys?"

Nice pause. I appreciate it when a liar employs a dramatic flair...

Seriously? Is that what it's come down to? I've grown to expect a little more out of you guys...

"You guys?" I've been (falsely) accused of being Joe Papp's tormentor and now I'm being falsely accused of being one of Lance's minions.

You're a barrel of laughs.

 

[flyor64]

On Velonation....updated. Not sure if there is anything new here but I like where it's headed.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...ari-prior-to-2010-Tour-de-France-updated.aspx

...they're backscrambling to sound like they are not caught with their pants down.

Thanks for the link.

I like the part where is says an Italian law enforcement official spoke to the AP...

...and later where Mr. Fabiani responds with:

"There they go again: Government sources are leaking inaccurate rumours to create the false impression that this taxpayer-money-wasting fishing expedition actually has a purpose,” he said in the communication.

I wasn´t aware that the investigation in Italy was a problem for American taxpayers.

Or is it that he´s now concerned for Italians and the "apparent" waste of their taxes?

Confusing...as you say

 

[flyor64]

Your context?

You've got to read that passage in context. I'm talking about his mouthpiece. The mouthpiece can claim that Armstrong was never PROVEN (I said "proven") a liar. "Proven" is a word of many meanings. A mouthpiece can stretch those meanings very far.

I'm not talking about whether or not Armstrong was or was not in fact a liar.

Can you help me out here a little as I´m feeling pedantical this morning?

I´m struggling with these "many meanings" of the word proven based on the context your original post and your follow on response using context as clarification.

prove |proōv|
verb ( past part. proved or proven |ˈproōvən|)
1[/B] [ trans. ] demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument : the concept is difficult to prove | [as adj. ] ( proven) a proven ability to work hard.
• [ trans. ] demonstrate by evidence or argument (someone or something) to be : innocent until proven guilty.
• Law establish the genuineness and validity of (a will).
• (in homeopathy) demonstrate the action of (a remedy) by seeing what effect it produces in a healthy individual.
• [ intrans. ] be seen or found to be : the plan has proved a great success.
• ( prove oneself) demonstrate one's abilities or courage : a new lieutenant, very green and very desperate to prove himself.
• [ trans. ] rare test the accuracy of (a mathematical calculation).
• subject (a gun or other item) to a testing process.
2 [ intrans. ] (of bread dough) become aerated by the action of yeast; rise.


When you say "many meanings" are you referring to the different levels of proof in a court of law as opposed to the actual different meanings of the word proven?

Because based on the context of your post, proven has really only one meaning.

Or were you referring to bread dough?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'd venture to guess he means in an open court of law, and convicted as such.

Any contradictions anyone else points out don't count.

"There they go again: Government sources are leaking inaccurate rumours to create the false impression that this taxpayer-money-wasting fishing expedition actually has a purpose,” he said in the communication.

Yes, I got a good chuckle at that too. It's Ronald Reagan vs. Sandro Donati!

 

[Cobblestoned]

Really? What about (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I never gave the UCI any money." Then "I gave the UCI some money." and finally "I gave the UCI a $#!+load of money." ?

Mr. Greenthumb, if you paraphrase then do it correctly with correct and matching statements.
The Ullrich-case told me, that it's all about the language and definition.
Subtile, but thats how things work.
Just have a look at this case and you will learn a lot.

9999 is not 10.000, 10001 is not 10.000 too
10.000 for freezing some bloodbags, is not 10.000 for PEDs

etc,etc

If Lance didn't pay the money, but his company, then Lance didn't pay.
If Lance donated the money, it wasn't a payment, then it was a donation and donating money.