Italy: "After the storm, the Tsunami."

[hrotha]

Serial doper Rebellin on his way back. Didn't want to waste a new thread on this piece of sh!t. Since he is Italian, thought this was a good place for this news.

At least we don't have to waste any time speculating if he is now riding clean, absolutely no chance of that.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110425_203220_rebellin-fait-son-come-back.html

I think it's ridiculous that he's coming back at 40, and that he overdid it in the last 4 or 5 years of his career, but at the end of the day he's not any different from other riders of his generation. At least as an amateur he was considered a huge talent, at a time when it's unlikely that EPO was common in the amateur peloton.

 

[Stingray34]

Time to spill the beans, Schumi?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-...magistrate-surrounding-his-links-to-armstrong

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Do we know who was doing the doping for Disco/Brunyeel after Armstrong's first retirement?

Because whatever Contador was on 2007-2008 (when he was neck and neck with Chicken and beating Ricco, etc) was out of this world.

LOL no kidding. Remember that back-and-forth on the Peyresourde? Insane attacks.

 

[Digger]

LOL no kidding. Remember that back-and-forth on the Peyresourde? Insane attacks.

David Walsh interview

M: How can you tell he’s cheating?

DW: Michael Rasmussen went up the Gourette-Col d'Aubisque faster than Lance Armstrong ever went up it. Alberto Contador was alongside him the whole way. I’ve been at that race since the early 80s and I know what speeds they go up that mountain. The speeds the leaders go up at today are just illogical.

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/features/article.jsp?content=20070727_150415_8508

 

[greatking88]

David Walsh interview



http://www.macleans.ca/canada/features/article.jsp?content=20070727_150415_8508

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOhvPcgo50&feature=related

Thats the mental attacking in 2007..

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Watching that clip shows just how dirty Dertie is.

So the question is - who was his doc that year?

 

[greatking88]

Watching that clip shows just how dirty Dertie is.

So the question is - who was his doc that year?

Yeah it was just the most 'unbelievable' attack after attack...must have had a serious programme.

Though I must say I still found it exciting to watch..

 

[Havetts]

That doc surely wasnt much worse than Dr Ferrari, if it wasnt actually him.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Watching that clip shows just how dirty Dertie is.

So the question is - who was his doc that year?

Contador is working with Pepe Martí - not sure when that started though.

As a refresher Landis said it was Pepe Martí who sold him HGH.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

That doc surely wasnt much worse than Dr Ferrari, if it wasnt actually him.

I suspect it was Ferrari. But I am wondering if RR or anyone else has anything more specific on Disco-Astana during Uniballer retirement 1.0

It is clear that Disco were ahead of the curve on whatever it was they were using (DynEPO?, blood?, CERA? HGH?)

We know that Disco had close contacts with Ferrari for years before. We know that because Armstrong was retired Ferrari must have been free to work with other riders so was he still with Disco then.

Lets also not forget Dertie in the 2008 Giro when he came 'off the beach' and beat Ricco and DDL both of whom were doped up to the eyeballs. There was some pretty 'unbelievable' racing then too.

Doc M - Pepe the driver? I thought he was the needleman rather than the deviser of programmes. My impression was that working with Pepe started when the Uniballer returned (and presumably re-invoked his exclusive contract).

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I suspect it was Ferrari. But I am wondering if RR or anyone else has anything more specific on Disco-Astana during Uniballer retirement 1.0

It is clear that Disco were ahead of the curve on whatever it was they were using (DynEPO?, blood?, CERA? HGH?)

We know that Disco had close contacts with Ferrari for years before. We know that because Armstrong was retired Ferrari must have been free to work with other riders so was he still with Disco then.

Lets also not forget Dertie in the 2008 Giro when he came 'off the beach' and beat Ricco and DDL both of whom were doped up to the eyeballs. There was some pretty 'unbelievable' racing then too.

Doc M - Pepe the driver? I thought he was the needleman rather than the deviser of programmes. My impression was that working with Pepe started when the Uniballer returned (and presumably re-invoked his exclusive contract).

Duffy was the driver!

Pepe is Contadors personal trainer, not sure when it started but according to this article in 2010 ... .

"And his trainer in recent years, Pepe Martí, one of the people that knows him best, is surprised at how well Contador knows himself, how he interprets the signals from his body. “And every year that goes by he knows himself better. He knows how to manage the information that he gets very well, how to self-regulate,” says Martí, who speaks with Contador daily, sometimes three calls a day. “For example, in the time trial at Annecy, in the Tour, he had calculated that in order to beat Cancellara and bearing in mind what he experienced at Beijing and Monaco, he would have to pass the top of the hill (ed. – the 3rd time check at Côte de Bluffy) with 46 seconds advantage over the Swiss. He told me before the start: If I pass through with 46 seconds, I win. He did it with exactly 46 seconds and won by three seconds.”

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Let's hope that the Feds don't forget that.

This quote gives it as 2007

Pepe Martí empezó a trabajar con Contador en 2007 en el equipo Discovery y ha estado junto a él en todas sus victorias en las grandes pruebas por etapas. Pero el vínculo del valenciano con el ciclismo empezó hace más de una década cuando paso del Porcelanatto al US Postal en 1999, desde donde cambió a Discovery Channel y a Astana para seguir trabajando junto al entonces mejor corredor del mundo, Lance Armstrong.

http://www.superdeporte.es/polideportivo/2010/08/20/contador-lleva-saxo-bank-valenciano/103467.html

Google translation:

Pepe Martí began working with Contador in 2007 in the Discovery team and has been with him in all his victories in major stage races. But the link Valencia with cycling began more than a decade when Porcelanatto over to U.S. Postal in 1999, where Discovery Channel changed to Astana and to continue working with the then world's best racer, Lance Armstrong.

So this raises the question - who was Ferrari working with 2007-8

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Let's hope that the Feds don't forget that.

This quote gives it as 2007



http://www.superdeporte.es/polideportivo/2010/08/20/contador-lleva-saxo-bank-valenciano/103467.html

Google translation:



So this raises the question - who was Ferrari working with 2007-8

Nice find - well we know that Ferrari was working with Vino in 2006 & 2007.

 

[hrotha]

So Ferrari was always an Armstrong man and never became a Bruyneel man. Interesting.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Ferrari wants a sit down

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...rari-investigation_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Interesting ?

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...rari-investigation_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Interesting ?

USA Today?

This is going mainstream.

Dave.

 

[Berzin]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...rari-investigation_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Interesting ?

I wouldn't make too much of this.

Ferrari is requesting a meeting just like Armstrong going on Oprah to get the word out to the non-cycling public that he's a good guy who's done a lot of good for too many people.

Anyone out there who thinks this has any implications other than an overt and cynical ploy to paint himself as a wrongfully accused man is crazy. Ferrari isn't going out like that, and neither is Lance.

 

[mewmewmew13]

My initial thought when I saw the Ferrari article here on CN was that maybe it had a hint of Ferrari throwing Lance under the bus...

but I guess I was crazy and grasping at straws. oh well

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-...magistrate-surrounding-his-links-to-armstrong

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

My initial thought when I saw the Ferrari article here on CN was that maybe it had a hint of Ferrari throwing Lance under the bus...

but I guess I was crazy and grasping at straws. oh well

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-...magistrate-surrounding-his-links-to-armstrong

Don't discount your optomism just yet.

With all the money (and power) involved in this rat's nest, I'm surprised a body or two hasn't shown up yet. I'll be shocked if there isn't an 'accident' that befalls one of the players in the near future...

I'm calling that an official prediction.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

My initial thought when I saw the Ferrari article here on CN was that maybe it had a hint of Ferrari throwing Lance under the bus...

but I guess I was crazy and grasping at straws. oh well

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-...magistrate-surrounding-his-links-to-armstrong

Naahhh Ferrari will not throw anyone under the bus no matter what.

Keep grasping at straws I guess.

 

[Stingray34]

Polish is still plying his trade in the comments section in the previously linked USAToday article.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...terstitialskip

He must be going through some clinic cold turkey pretty badly.

Don't think his brand of ironic, smiling-thru-the-pain humour quite carries across to those that don't know and love the guy.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Polish is still plying his trade in the comments section in the previously linked USAToday article.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...terstitialskip

He must be going through some clinic cold turkey pretty badly.

Don't think his brand of ironic, smiling-thru-the-pain humour quite carries across to those that don't know and love the guy.

Hahaha...loved the way you wrote this...captured the essence perfectly.

All seems quiet on the Ferrari front today...I am betting there is a blip rising in the tire.....

 

[MarkvW]

Spin

I wouldn't make too much of this.

Ferrari is requesting a meeting just like Armstrong going on Oprah to get the word out to the non-cycling public that he's a good guy who's done a lot of good for too many people.

Anyone out there who thinks this has any implications other than an overt and cynical ploy to paint himself as a wrongfully accused man is crazy. Ferrari isn't going out like that, and neither is Lance.

Meaningful and truthful exchanges with the Padua prosecutor would not be initiated by a news conference. My guess is that this is linked to Armstrong's spin campaign--to demonstrate that Lance and everybody associated with him is open and cooperating.

If Ferrari was turning rat, his information would be of maximum value to the cops if the snitching were kept secret (so the cops could exploit the leads). A prospective snitch would not want to publicize, and thereby devalue, any information he is offering to trade.

Is this evidence of Lance's innocence? (Don't answer that question! No. Don't. Really.)

 

[mewmewmew13]

OTOH you might have the scenario like in a gangster flick...just how much is one guy ratting out the other. ..and each thug wondering what the other might have said. Playing them off one another so to speak..

 

[Benotti69]

Ferarri is as stupid as the next criminal. They dont know when to stop and mostly they dont till they are caught, which they think they never will and when you have got off before you might think, phew well that was a warning, but stupid is as stupid does and hence Ferarri in the pooh pooh again and this time the stakes are way higher.