Jalabert positive for EPO in 1998 TDF

[andy1234]

The world has moved on and its different now falls over flat when assessed against Brunyels tweets regarding how it was basically Landis, and only Landis, that brought them down. i.. none of the other actors had it in them to expose the fraud....doesn't exactly fill you with confidence in the system then regarding anyone currently riding as its the same people policing the system as it was then.....
so without a pe**ed off Foyd policing world cycling, where is the disincentive not to get on the programme????

Well just about every rider who has won anything in the past 20 years has been busted ,including Landis, and that doesn't happen by magic....

 

[andy1234]

While you are trying to be smart, it again misses the key issue.

Any rider tested who was clean will only be interested in having their name cleared and those riders should be recognised and applauded.

Sorry Doc, I forgot that YOUR issue, has to be the KEY issue.
Someone needs to send me the meeting agenda next time..tsk..tsk...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sorry Doc, I forgot that YOUR issue, has to be the KEY issue.
Someone needs to send me the meeting agenda next time..tsk..tsk...

Anti-doping is the issue, always has been Andy.

 

[Benotti69]

The world has moved on and its different now falls over flat when assessed against Brunyels tweets regarding how it was basically Landis, and only Landis, that brought them down. i.. none of the other actors had it in them to expose the fraud....doesn't exactly fill you with confidence in the system then regarding anyone currently riding as its the same people policing the system as it was then.....
so without a pe**ed off Foyd policing world cycling, where is the disincentive not to get on the programme????

The world has not moved on. With the exceptions of Saiz and Bruyneel there are a whole plethora of people still involved in the sport.

I still have not see any real change.

 

[Benotti69]

The policing system is different now than it was. And remember Floyd as the winner of TDF got busted at the end of the back then era. Would that have happened in the 90s? doubt it.

Not it is not. The UCI police the sport. Nothing has changed. Looked at Contador's positive for Clen compared to Li Fuyu.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Not it is not. The UCI police the sport. Nothing has changed. Looked at Contador's positive for Clen compared to Li Fuyu.

Yeah Clenquistadors positif was treated and looked at differently than Fuyu's. Sad thing is ...just like you say "The UCI police the sport. Nothing has changed."

 

[IndianCyclist]

The world has not moved on. With the exceptions of Saiz and Bruyneel there are a whole plethora of people still involved in the sport.

I still have not see any real change.

Yes i believe that at least 50% of the riders are still doping in some way or the other. They may not dope in important races but sometime during the year it is being done for recovery or preparation. For evidence look at the the number of doping cases in 2013 - still significant.

 

[Race Radio]

Instead of naming the 40 or so riders who used EPO how about naming the DS' and doctors who supplied it and are still in the sport

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Instead of naming the 40 or so riders who used EPO how about naming the DS' and doctors who supplied it and are still in the sport

All groups should be exposed. Dopers, DSs and the docs.

Important step in the process. Thawing very slowly.

 

[andy1234]

Instead of naming the 40 or so riders who used EPO how about naming the DS' and doctors who supplied it and are still in the sport

You meant as well as, not instead of, surely?

 

[Race Radio]

You meant as well as, not instead of, surely?

Unless you have been living in a cave none of those names will be a surprise to anyone. Doctors and DS' poison dozens of riders over the years but it is always the riders who get pushed out of the sport, seldom the DS or the doctor

 

[andy1234]

Unless you have been living in a cave none of those names will be a surprise to anyone. Doctors and DS' poison dozens of riders over the years but it is always the riders who get pushed out of the sport, seldom the DS or the doctor

Which is why I said "as well as"....

Instead of, sounds like you don't want these riders to be revealed.

 

[Granville57]

sounds like you don't want these riders to be revealed.

Oh yes. I'm quite sure that is RR's intent. Has to be! It's so obvious!


How about this:
Given a choice, which would be more useful and effective for the sport.
Naming the riders (from mostly long ago), or naming the doctors and DS' "who supplied it and are still in the sport"?

(notice the use of quotations to highlight RR's actual quote)

 

[Benotti69]

Instead of naming the 40 or so riders who used EPO how about naming the DS' and doctors who supplied it and are still in the sport

How about the up to 40 riders come forward to AFLD and WADA and name the doctors and DS' and then riders shall remain nameless?

 

[andy1234]

Oh yes. I'm quite sure that is RR's intent. Has to be! It's so obvious!


How about this:
Given a choice, which would be more useful and effective for the sport.
Naming the riders (from mostly long ago), or naming the doctors and DS' "who supplied it and are still in the sport"?

(notice the use of quotations to highlight RR's actual quote)

I didn't realise that there was a choice to be made.
As far as I am aware, this revelation doesnt have to be made at the expense of any other action.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I didn't realise that there was a choice to be made.
As far as I am aware, this revelation doesnt have to be made at the expense of any other action.

It doesn't - but if all that is released is the names of the dopers then nothing of any use will be achieved. How many riders have the Senate interviewed? How many Doc's or DS's?

Even Benotti has put his thinking cap on and can see what use having the names could do if the purpose was to indeed be anti-doping.

 

[Granville57]

I didn't realise that there was a choice to be made.

And I offered it as a hypothetical.

Did you "realize" that?

 

[andy1234]

And I offered it as a hypothetical.

Did you "realize" that?

Yes, I "realise" it was hypothetical.
I must remember to use the sarcasm smiley more....

 

[Granville57]

I must remember to use the sarcasm smiley more....

Nah. Stick with or

Tends to keep things lighter and more cordial around here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And I offered it as a hypothetical.

Did you "realize" that?

Yes, I "realise" it was hypothetical.
I must remember to use the sarcasm smiley more....

http://grammarist.com/spelling/realise-realize/:D

I just realized, one of you might be English.

 

[Taxus4a]

I have read Mr Clean today about Jalabert.... he talk at the end to be careful stiil with doping, and specially he talk about France... I think he was thinking in Dauphiné, his favourite race, and he could talk about Dani Navarro, and Dani Moreno as well, their flat ITT were amazing for climbers, even if they were peaking there and other not.

Maybe he could be talking as well of Europcar, who knows

it is good when people like him say: ey, this could not be clean...becouse the new now it is that could not be clean, so it is mostly clean, in the past the news were like his case: hey, here, in Festina, there is a man that doesnt dope!!...

We need always to fight, becouse antidoping now works better, but is possible to dope, not too much, but enough to a good result if most of people dont do.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I didn't realise that there was a choice to be made.
As far as I am aware, this revelation doesnt have to be made at the expense of any other action.

There isn't. Only the riders will be exposed. That is a travesty.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I have read Mr Clean today about Jalabert.... he talk at the end to be careful stiil with doping, and specially he talk about France... I think he was thinking in Dauphiné, his favourite race, and he could talk about Dani Navarro, and Dani Moreno as well, their flat ITT were amazing for climbers, even if they were peaking there and other not.

Maybe he could talk as well of Europcar, but difficult to say...

it is good when people like him say: ey, this could not be clean...becouse the new now it is that could not be clean, so it is mostly clean, in the past the news were like his case: hey, here, in Festina, there is a man that doesnt dope!!...

We need always to fight, becouse antidoping now works better, but is possible to dope, not too much, but enough to a good result if most of people dont do.

Do everyone a favor and post in your native language. It will be more comprehensible even to those who don't speak your language.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Do everyone a favor and post in your native language. It will be more comprehensible even to those who don't speak your language.

My guess is French since I know a bit about French. Could be a real guy or a meat puppet. Turn up the BBQ.....

Mais franchement, defendre a nouveau les tricheurs devient tres tres fatiguee...

 

[Big Doopie]

Mais franchement, defendre a nouveau les tricheurs devient tres tres fatiguee...

Fatiguant.

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