Jay Vine discussion thread

[valentius borealis]

Given the general trend for thread titles around here we'll probably end up with "Jay Vine is not Jeremy Vine"

You'll never recognise yourself on heartattack and Jay Vine.

 

[Sandisfan]

I think it should be "Jay Vine is fine".

That's a good one I still think the Evenepol thread name after all the action in his thread should be "The Remco Evenepol Experience"

 

[Nick2413]

That's a good one I still think the Evenepol thread name after all the action in his thread should be "The Remco Evenepol Experience"

This thread has been the ride of my life

 

[StryderHells]

First WT stage race win, he‘s come along way in a short time.

 

[Lequack]

He has propery arrived. Hopefully UAE don't have ideas to use him as a domestique. He is supposed to ride the Giro with Joao Almeida, so I wonder how that dynamic will go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617072031618433027

View: https://twitter.com/wcsbike/status/1617072031618433027?s=20&t=DLwqERxMNwEQeITixEUoOw

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations on winning overall.

 

[Cookster15]

He has propery arrived. Hopefully UAE don't have ideas to use him as a domestique. He is supposed to ride the Giro with Joao Almeida, so I wonder how that dynamic will go.

UAE are fascinating. Of course there is Pogi, then Almeida, Ayuso, Adam Yates and now Vine looking like he has big potential. He made a statement in the Vuelta and now has his first stage race win. Watching the finale today I was impressed by the level shown. I look forward to following this Zwift racer’s progress. As he says “watts are watts”. I’ll say.

 

[Offline]

When you crash 5 times going 10 days you can't compete for GC.
But maybe to the best. - now I have him to win a stage from a breakaway in the 3rd week.

 

[Nick2413]

When you crash 5 times going 10 days you can't compete for GC.
But maybe to the best. - now I have him to win a stage from a breakaway in the 3rd week.

Is that really what he’s up to? Just goes to show how much skill and experience are actually necessary in road racing.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Did he really crash 5 times?

Today's crash is the only one i can remember from him and plenty of riders crashed today too.

Anyway, let him channel his inner Lele Sella and he can end up with a top 10, KOM jersey and 1 or 2 nice stages.
Almeida is not the kind of ridere that needs a lot of support.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Did he really crash 5 times?

Today's crash is the only one i can remember from him and plenty of riders crashed today too.

Anyway, let him channel his inner Lele Sella and he can end up with a top 10, KOM jersey and 1 or 2 nice stages.
Almeida is not the kind of ridere that needs a lot of support.

He lost time in both stage 2 and 5 due to crashes, and also went down in the Napoli stage. So that's at least four, and then he was also dropped on a descent in stage 4 which may or may not have been crash-related. That isn't sustainable if you want to be anything more than a stage hunter.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

You can't really blame stage 2 and 5 on someone, mass crashes are a crapshoot.
But you're right about stage 4, UAE GC rider surely do not appreciate the rainy descents of this Giro.

 

[Offline]

Did he really crash 5 times?

Today's crash is the only one i can remember from him and plenty of riders crashed today too.

Anyway, let him channel his inner Lele Sella and he can end up with a top 10, KOM jersey and 1 or 2 nice stages.
Almeida is not the kind of ridere that needs a lot of support.

Yes 5 times!

Lol both Almeida and Vine needs fulltime babysitters. Actually think UAE should stop sending them to the same races. Fine as second leader next to Pogacar and Ayuso that both know how to position themself.
Otherwise send them to races where they can be the only leader with a full team to support.

I really hope Vine can take few days off now and come back strong in the 3rd week for stage hunting!

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

First time that he‘s quoted saying something really unsympathetic:

CN quotes him with:

„'I'm not going to give a *** about top 20 on GC' says Australian“…

IMHO, he better ‚gives a ***‘… After all, he only once finished a GT, on 73rd spot on GC, Vuelta 2021.

Finishing the Giro within the Top20 on GC would be great!

Maybe this is some kind of „arrogance“ you necessarily develop when UAE signs you for five years…

 

[QueenStagiaire]

First time that he‘s quoted saying something really unsympathetic:

CN quotes him with:

„'I'm not going to give a *** about top 20 on GC' says Australian“…

IMHO, he better ‚gives a ***‘… After all, he only once finished a GT, on 73rd spot on GC, Vuelta 2021.

Finishing the Giro within the Top20 on GC would be great!

Maybe this is some kind of „arrogance“ you necessarily develop when UAE signs you for five years…

I think that‘s reasonable. Top 10 places in GTs are very cool, but beyond that I don‘t think anyone cares. Once you‘re more than five minutes off the Top 10, imo you should just go for stages or help your leader.

 

[pastronef]

First time that he‘s quoted saying something really unsympathetic:

CN quotes him with:

„'I'm not going to give a *** about top 20 on GC' says Australian“…

IMHO, he better ‚gives a ***‘… After all, he only once finished a GT, on 73rd spot on GC, Vuelta 2021.

Finishing the Giro within the Top20 on GC would be great!

Maybe this is some kind of „arrogance“ you necessarily develop when UAE signs you for five years…

I think it's a heat of the moment reaction after the crash and the freezing stage he had.

 

[SafeBet]

He also said that the crash wasn't the reason why he lost time, he was completely frozen and had no power in the legs.

But yeah bike handling is still a major problem if he wants to be a GC rider, especially at the Giro.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Even a fringe top 10 shouldn't be a priority for a guy who's proved he's capable of winning GT stages and fighting for the KOM, and who also has a teammate who can finish on the podium.

 

[Bolder]

He may be very susceptible to cold -- he was looking exceptionally lean earlier this year. And his successes seem to have come in warm weather -- Vuelta, TdU, Tour of Turkey. That might not bode well for high-mountain GT stages.

 

[Landeirovic]

He may be very susceptible to cold -- he was looking exceptionally lean earlier this year. And his successes seem to have come in warm weather -- Vuelta, TdU, Tour of Turkey. That might not bode well for high-mountain GT stages.

Him won a stage in big rain in vuelta. In tour of Norway he was very strong to.

 

[Bolder]

Him won a stage in big rain in vuelta. In tour of Norway he was very strong to.

Ah, that's right, but I can't remember if that Vuelta stage was cold or just wet and foggy. But he looked super lean this year so he may have cut too much weight.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

I think that‘s reasonable. Top 10 places in GTs are very cool, but beyond that I don‘t think anyone cares. Once you‘re more than five minutes off the Top 10, imo you should just go for stages or help your leader.

Yeah, but I‘d say even a Top-20 placement at the final GC in Giro and Vuelta is something really big. It‘s like a Top-20 in RVV, for which thousands of young Belgian racers would (almost) „sacrifice a little finger“.

Vine has his contract now.

But an example: 21st on Vuelta GC cost Marcel Wyss dear. I think he even had to stop.

Gino Mäder saved a contract season with 20th rank in Vuelta GC (one rank stronger than Wyss). Mäder then got his new contract, and even finished the Vuelta GC in fifth spot, the year after. Beating Bernal and others.

I think Top-20 or Top-25 ranks are still great. And in the biggest races, you can make a living out of regularly finishing even in the Top-50.

But I understand Vine, who certainly has high expectations. But a 20th spot in Giro GC is absolutely something to be proud about when later telling it to the grandchildren…

 

[Offline]

I don't understand why he is so negativ in his interviews. He ride for a team that can win the Giro. I supported him in the beginning of the Giro. But I lost little bit for him.

 

[Lequack]

Maybe he thought he would still have the freedom to go for random stages like he did with Alpecin. He doesn't look motivated to work as part of a train.

 

[SafeBet]

He thought he'd be up there in GC but he's facing the harsh reality you need a little more than w/kg to win a GT. It takes time to adjust.