Johann bruyneel as a DS.

[Dr. Maserati]

Simple question. Do you attack me or anybody that supports Lance and anything he has to do with? If not then no I would not include you in the e-mob. Now if you choose to lump yourself in with that group then that is fine by me. Those I am calling the e-mob do so. Not just people with differing opinions. You can re-read my post and it simply spells this out.

Thanks for the response.

No - I did not attack you - however you made a broad reference to anyone who disagree's with you when you wrote - "And, if you by any means support them you are attacked continually by the e-mob on CN forums".

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

No - I did not attack you - however you made a broad reference to anyone who disagree's with you when you wrote - "And, if you by any means support them you are attacked continually by the e-mob on CN forums".

If you by any means support them (Lance, Johan etc.) you (supporter) are attacked continually by the e-mob(attackers) on CN forums.

If you don't fall into either of the groups listed then I don't see how this would group you in. I listed Lance, Johan, etc. Supporters of them and the ones that attack others for supporting them. Not people that don't agree with Lance, Johan, etc.

If this doesn't explain it far enough. Then let's just agree to disagree.

Btw, I have no problem with opinions. Just those that feel the need to force their opinion on others as facts. And, to try and make those with differing opinions as morons or teabaggers.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Glad you have freshed up your material as well. partner.

Pot and Kettle must be getting along swimmingly.

There would be a stingingly clever comeback here if I only knew what your last post meant.

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

There would be a stingingly clever comeback here if I only knew what your last post meant.

Don't worry that admission of confusion was well thought of about you before you posted. Not a news flash by any means.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Don't worry that admission of confusion was well thought of about you before you posted. Not a news flash by any means.

No offense, but is english your first language?

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

No offense, but is english your first language?

There isn't a person on a message board or forum in the world that I would take serious. So, no offense. English? What is that. LOL

 

[Polish]

The OP's question was very valid actually - as it asked the question where does JB get the reputation of being a 'tactical genius'.

So the next time I hear that said I will say "no, he is not" and use your second paragraph as the reason - thanks.

Who said the OP question was not valid? JB DOES have a reputation for being a tactical genius because he IS a tactical genius.

Just saying - asking forum members for examples is a bit off for the reasons I listed. Sure, the awesome results are easy to see - but the actual tactical discussions happen out of sight of forum members for the most part. Similiar to the "clinical stuff" wink wink.

But Johan's main job is Big Picture, baby - not race tactics. Strategic Thinking, Getting the Big Bang for the Sponsors, Tour de France, Logistics,
PR, blah blah blah

 

[karlboss]

polish did you deliberately contradict yourself?

JB is a tactical genius, but race day tactics are not his concern...its like saying I'm the best painter in the world, i just don't paint.

 

[Race Radio]

Who said the OP question was not valid? JB DOES have a reputation for being a tactical genius because he IS a tactical genius.

Just saying - asking forum members for examples is a bit off for the reasons I listed. Sure, the awesome results are easy to see - but the actual tactical discussions happen out of sight of forum members for the most part. Similiar to the "clinical stuff" wink wink.

But Johan's main job is Big Picture, baby - not race tactics. Strategic Thinking, Getting the Big Bang for the Sponsors, Tour de France, Logistics,
PR, blah blah blah

The Hog has a reputation as a tactical genius because he tells everyone he is one......most who follow the sport know that he isn't.

 

[Polish]

polish did you deliberately contradict yourself?

JB is a tactical genius, but race day tactics are not his concern...its like saying I'm the best painter in the world, i just don't paint.

I said the tactical stuff is not his MAIN concern...

He is a tactical genius in his spare time

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

jpmcmahonjr: This forum is not about you. Drop the baiting and personal stuff and stay on topic.

Susan

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

jpmcmahonjr: This forum is not about you. Drop the baiting and personal stuff and stay on topic.

Susan

Would it help if I jumped sides and just went with the flow and that way I could join the group complaining to the mods? Since, it's obvious I am the only one baiting and addressing personal stuff?

Just a question. And, straight forward. One last thing, I am glad you handled this on the board rather than through private messaging. I rather enjoy seeing the policy handling in public personally.

 

[progressor]

Ha, there was a time when I was an Armstrong fan. Now however, even without the irrefutable evidence that he doped his way to 7 TDF wins, but just from the weight of sheer idiocy exibited by the crowd of Lance chamois sniffing teabaggers, I am not.

Funny. As a neutral it's hard not to get the same attitude in reverse due to the behaviour of the contador lovers here.

 

[progressor]

Would it help if I jumped sides and just went with the flow and that way I could join the group complaining to the mods? Since, it's obvious I am the only one baiting and addressing personal stuff?

Just a question. And, straight forward. One last thing, I am glad you handled this on the board rather than through private messaging. I rather enjoy seeing the policy handling in public personally.

+1

Impressive how little some of these extremely abusive anti LA types get called out for their posting isn't it? Remember if you join the club it's not alright to be unenthused by LA, you must be totally dedicated to interpreting any piece of evidence as totally damning of LA and Bruyneel, and ridicule, demean and abuse anyone who disagrees with you.

E Mob is an apt discription.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Funny. As a neutral it's hard not to get the same attitude in reverse due to the behaviour of the contador lovers here.

See once again you are making it into an either/or. You see things in black and white and then assume that everyone else has your same nearsightedness. When people find fault with Armstrong for being a lying, manipulative, egotistical, psychotic SOB who dopes to win races, saying why don't you hate Contador as much because he dopes too is a weak argument.

 

[Boeing]

I don't know what it is. I have never really liked Bruyneel from his riding days and never got a real good vibe from the postal/disco years. I mean he is the man I guess or Lance lets him be the man like he lets Chris Carmichael be the man perhaps.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I certainly have an issue with Bruyneel trying to steal contracted riders, even if it is for the benefit of a third party. (sponsor)
Time for the UCI to deal with the whole issue of transfers and tighten up on the window and rules governing a signing.

What has this to do with a thread on Bruyneel the DS, you might ask.

Well, the current Beppu fiasco is not the first time Bruyneel has gone on a smash and grab raid.

Remember Tyler Farrar, when he was with Cofidis?
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?p=918275

Very unsavoury tactics, so I guess it qualifies, here.

 

[Race Radio]

+1

Impressive how little some of these extremely abusive anti LA types get called out for their posting isn't it? Remember if you join the club it's not alright to be unenthused by LA, you must be totally dedicated to interpreting any piece of evidence as totally damning of LA and Bruyneel, and ridicule, demean and abuse anyone who disagrees with you.

E Mob is an apt discription.

If you want to be taken seriously you may want to drop the persecution complex and actually have a specific point. If you disagree with an opinion then please offer up some information that supports the opposite.....instead you just run around screaming "You guys suck!" like a 7 year old.

 

[flicker]

We might as well win

I was speaking with a friend of mine as we were riding through Sonoma the other day. We were speaking about a mutual friend who was a manager of a US based UCI continental team. I asked him what is in it for the team manager/director sportife. He told me that when the riders are paid and all the other bills are paid the DS gets to keep the rest. That is quite an incentive to do well racing eh? I think Johann has done quite well for himself, his sponsers and his riders. It is not our job to criticize his methods or his riders. We must remind ourselves that this the Pro Cycling thing, it is Pro and for money. Athletes are not always on the level. If people who are cycling fans want to shoot down Lance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Because Lance currently is #1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling. If people who hate Lance and love Pro Cycling want to make a difference sponser a junior team and a U/23 team. Then I will listen to what you have to say. Sponser a team and have them ride clean 100o/o.

 

[Race Radio]

I was speaking with a friend of mine as we were riding through Sonoma the other day. We were speaking about a mutual friend who was a manager of a US based UCI continental team. I asked him what is in it for the team manager/director sportife. He told me that when the riders are paid and all the other bills are paid the DS gets to keep the rest. That is quite an incentive to do well racing eh? I think Johann has done quite well for himself, his sponsers and his riders. It is not our job to criticize his methods or his riders. We must remind ourselves that this the Pro Cycling thing, it is Pro and for money. Athletes are not always on the level. If people who are cycling fans want to shoot down Lance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Because Lance currently is #1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling. If people who hate Lance and love Pro Cycling want to make a difference sponser a junior team and a U/23 team. Then I will listen to what you have to say. Sponser a team and have them ride clean 100o/o.

Lemond sponsored a U/23 team, do you listen to him?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I was speaking with a friend of mine as we were riding through Sonoma the other day. We were speaking about a mutual friend who was a manager of a US based UCI continental team. I asked him what is in it for the team manager/director sportife. He told me that when the riders are paid and all the other bills are paid the DS gets to keep the rest. That is quite an incentive to do well racing eh? I think Johann has done quite well for himself, his sponsers and his riders. It is not our job to criticize his methods or his riders. We must remind ourselves that this the Pro Cycling thing, it is Pro and for money. Athletes are not always on the level. If people who are cycling fans want to shoot down Lance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Because Lance currently is #1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling. If people who hate Lance and love Pro Cycling want to make a difference sponser a junior team and a U/23 team. Then I will listen to what you have to say. Sponser a team and have them ride clean 100o/o.

Nobody has said he doesn't make plenty of money that is not what the discussion is about.
I do not have to be a DS to offer an opinion about one, and while it may not be my job I can certainly do it in my spare time.
Do you never critisize politicians or movie stars or baseball players? Because I would bet you have never done any of those jobs.
Once again you are adding nothing to the ongoing discussion, but only crying because others are saying bad things about your idols.

 

[HL2037]

I was speaking with a friend of mine as we were riding through Sonoma the other day. We were speaking about a mutual friend who was a manager of a US based UCI continental team. I asked him what is in it for the team manager/director sportife. He told me that when the riders are paid and all the other bills are paid the DS gets to keep the rest. That is quite an incentive to do well racing eh? I think Johann has done quite well for himself, his sponsers and his riders. It is not our job to criticize his methods or his riders. We must remind ourselves that this the Pro Cycling thing, it is Pro and for money. Athletes are not always on the level. If people who are cycling fans want to shoot down Lance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Because Lance currently is #1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling. If people who hate Lance and love Pro Cycling want to make a difference sponser a junior team and a U/23 team. Then I will listen to what you have to say. Sponser a team and have them ride clean 100o/o.

LA might be "#1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling" in USA. In Europe he is neither. Europe does not need a "#1 advocate in Cancer Awareness and Procycling" , because all Europeans are fully aware of both cancer and procycling. Be sure that procycling will do just fine without LA/JB. In my opinion it would be better off.

 

[flicker]

Lance will retire afte 2010. He will not go away though. Johann will keep on keepin on unless he retires or something.

I see Lance in politics. Sorry guys.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lance will retire afte 2010. He will not go away though. Johann will keep on keepin on unless he retires or something.

I see Lance in politics. Sorry guys.

I'm sure you are right, and he will be right at home in that line of work.
He will have to run as a Republican, because if he runs against them they will dig up the dirt.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Lance will retire afte 2010. He will not go away though. Johann will keep on keepin on unless he retires or something.

I see Lance in politics. Sorry guys.

He will make a fine politician, if he can avoid making knee jerk responses to things he doesn't like.
He has many of the qualities that the top guys in this field, share.

Bruyneel will continue until the Shack stop sponsoring, then retire (again).
He couldn't find a major sponsor, the last time this happened.