Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Tim Cahill]

If someone isn't properly acclimatised to the altitude then 2650m is very troublesome. I wasn't just thinking Pogacar attacking either, perhaps someone like Carapaz or Bernal might see it as an opportunity to try and test the injured 3, they aren't going to drop everyone of course but if you can properly dispatch 1 of them then that's a great result, and the rest would probably pile on. Ineos tho I suppose.

That descent finish looks very Carlos Rodriguez.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Is it really? If you drill it and go full gas, and the stage has been hard, it might be enough. Its very similar to the climb to Livigno this year, but this is not Dani Martinez and Geraint Thomas.

6.8% of average gradient should be enough: UAE dream team drilling like crazy coupled with Pogacar's attack can produce decent gaps, methinks, if Vingo is not fully ready.

 

[AmRacer]

If someone isn't properly acclimatised to the altitude then 2650m is very troublesome. I wasn't just thinking Pogacar attacking either, perhaps someone like Carapaz or Bernal might see it as an opportunity to try and test the injured 3, they aren't going to drop everyone of course but if you can properly dispatch 1 of them then that's a great result, and the rest would probably pile on. Ineos tho I suppose.

That descent finish looks very Carlos Rodriguez.

If those two attack, Pogacar will of course tag along and counter attack.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It seems strange he will stay at altitude for 5 weeks. Normally, gc riders stay 3 weeks training at altitude.

 

[Berniece]

If someone isn't properly acclimatised to the altitude then 2650m is very troublesome. I wasn't just thinking Pogacar attacking either, perhaps someone like Carapaz or Bernal might see it as an opportunity to try and test the injured 3, they aren't going to drop everyone of course but if you can properly dispatch 1 of them then that's a great result, and the rest would probably pile on. Ineos tho I suppose.

That descent finish looks very Carlos Rodriguez.

I think UAE will put a huge tempo which will drop Carapaz and Bernal. When Yates is the only one left to launch Pogacar, I don't think many will be able to follow.

 

[Nick2413]

It’s hard to imagine Vingegaard riding into form on week 3 if he doesn’t have the base. This is a different ballgame to a rider having normal prep and hitting peak late in the race. Only if he’s already really good will something like that be possible.

 

[rm2021]

It seems strange he will stay at altitude for 5 months. Normally, gc riders stay 3 weeks training at altitude.

Every rider responds differently to altitude. Some riders don't have benefits on being more than 2 weeks in altitude phisiologically, others don't respond well to altitude.

 

[Froome]

Stage 4 could already be carnage, there's a bunch of teams with incentive to try and bury their rivals early before they can get a head of steam. Whoever is feeling good will think the others will have come in underdone or injured, not a chance they will want Vingegaard cooking in week 3 on those hard stages with only a small deficit.

It will be hard for them to take time on Vingegaard in altitude, even if he starts a bit cooked.

 

[Froome]

Pretty sure he will be ready for the tour.
He had a training ride on 5h 30m this tuesday in Tignes.

Haalt titelverdediger Jonas Vingegaard de Tour? “Hij weet het zelf nog niet eens”

Haalt hij het of haalt hij het niet? Jonas Vingegaard is nog een twijfelgeval voor de Tour de France (29 juni-21 juli) na zijn zware val in de Ronde van het Baskenland, maar bereidt zich momenteel wel voor op de Tour. De voorbije weken waren er hoopgevende berichten, maar zijn trainer Tim Heemskerk

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The bluff is so obvious. He will be there and in great shape.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It will be hard for them to take time on Vingegaard in altitude, even if he starts a bit cooked.

The worse form he's in, the worse he will be at altitude.

 

[Rackham]

The bluff is so obvious. He will be there and in great shape.

Vingegaard's team is an issue.

Even with Vinge at 100%, he doesn't have the teammates to drill the hardest multi col mountain stages like in 2022 & 2023. The loss of Van Baarle is a serious blow in that regard, meanwhile others (like Laporte, Van Aert & Kuss) are nowhere near last year's levels for various reasons.

It means UAE will dictate the pace.

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard's team is an issue.

Even with Vinge at 100%, he doesn't have the teammates to drill the hardest multi col mountain stages like in 2022 & 2023. The loss of Van Baarle is a serious blow in that regard, meanwhile others (like Laporte, Van Aert & Kuss) are nowhere near last year's levels for various reasons.

It means UAE will dictate the pace.

I am a concerned with Kuss, i don't know if he crashed or not yesterday, nevertheless Jorgenson has been a good surprise.

Let's see in what kind of shape they will be in the Tour.

 

[noob]

What happened with the title?

 

[Rackham]

What happened with the title?

Vingegaard had a butterfly tattoo visible on his upper arm when he was training in Mallorca last month. Hence, 'butterfly effect'.

Rumor says it was a temporary tattoo though.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What happened with the title?

Jonas got a butterfly tattoo, and then he was suddenly able to ride outside again. Or maybe he's been replaced by someone with a butterfly tattoo.

 

[Netserk]

New bike (for the Tour, you'd think), h/t @allergy_al:

 

[Samu Cuenca]

New bike (for the Tour, you'd think), h/t @allergy_al:

Which bike is the blue one?

 

[YavorD]

Vingegaard's team is an issue.

Even with Vinge at 100%, he doesn't have the teammates to drill the hardest multi col mountain stages like in 2022 & 2023. The loss of Van Baarle is a serious blow in that regard, meanwhile others (like Laporte, Van Aert & Kuss) are nowhere near last year's levels for various reasons.

It means UAE will dictate the pace.

Disagree. Tratnik + Jorgenson>>>>Van Baarle + NVH in the high mountains. They might be weaker in the flat-ish stages but they're deffo stronger for the multi col mountain stages.

 

[Froome]

Disagree. Tratnik + Jorgenson>>>>Van Baarle + NVH in the high mountains. They might be weaker in the flat-ish stages but they're deffo stronger for the multi col mountain stages.

And that's something they missed on col du tourmalet last year before Kelderman and Kuss take the front in the last 4.5 km of Tourmalet. The pace was too low with Nathan, van baarle, benoot, laporte.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Though, quite a blow with Van Baarle out, the 'invisible role' in Capitain de la Route guidance with steady hand should not be underestimated in relation to the ability to "wrap Jonas safely".

(Nota Bene; Le Tour does not just go uphill all the way the 3 weeks from Florence to Nice)

 

[Froome]

Though, quite a blow with Van Baarle out, the 'invisible role' in Capitain de la Route guidance with steady hand should not be underestimated in relation to the ability to "wrap Jonas safely".

(Nota Bene; Le Tour does not just go uphill all the way the 3 weeks from Florence to Nice)

Nathan will also be a big loss on wrap Jonas safely.

Tratnik will have to do that job.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Get well soon and back to your best Jonas! We need you to have a proper fight in the Tour. Unless Pogi is clearly weaker in the Tour compared to his Giro, Tour is over

 

[Netserk]

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240607_94501322

At Visma Lease a Bike there is no certainty about the selection for the Tour, since Van Aert and Vingegaard are not yet at the top level. “We’re still in doubt about both Jonas and Wout. There were all kinds of scenarios, but there was no concrete scenario. [...]”

And then there is the theme of Van Aert-Vingegaard: what about the two? Niermann is clear: “They are not what they should be, no. Otherwise it would be clear. They have both fallen hard and are not at last year’s level. We need to look at how much sense it makes. They prepare them and that is going well, but it is not the level that they reached exactly one year ago. It is certainly achievable, but we make decisions.”

 

[Jack_89]

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240607_94501322

Logic suggests he's honest about them...but there's also possibility he's playing mind games. 50-50 in my opinion

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Logic suggests he's honest about them...but there's also possibility he's playing mind games. 50-50 in my opinion

Vingo's training shortcomings are obvious so I think he's honest there. However, I do think they are doing whatever they can to improve Vingo as quickly as possible and decide in the last moment. With crashes of their top stars hampering the season maybe they are being a bit desparate here wanting to make an impact at the Tour.