Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Tricycle Rider]

I noticed that he was the only one who rode with a single chainring (other than De Plus who changed bike to one with a smaller gear), so I guess he rode Malhão in a bigger gear than others. He also had some kind of extension to his saddle:

Good catch, looks like Vingo's saddle has wings or some such on the back (is it more aero or maybe just more comfortable?), and he doesn't even ride for Red Bull.

Edit: I took the liberty to take a screenshot (which I hope will show up) from a different angle, fascinating indeed! Did anyone see the saddle once Vingo got off the bike? I wasn't able to catch the TT yesterday... maybe it's some kind of a triathlon saddle?

 

[Berniece]

So is this performance enough to win the Tour or do we have to wait?

Definitely wait, but I think everyone knows last year's Tour wasn't a good reference, and it will be much much closer when he's in top shape with a proper build up

 

[red_flanders]

I don't think being beaten on the climb means much today, riders took different pacing strategies. Almeida went considerably slower on the flat, despite normally being a very decent flat TTer. Same goes for Gregoire and Roglic, who both chose to dopretty severe negative splits. Vingegaard went really hard on the flat, paid for it a bit on the climb, but won by a good margin in the end which is what he cared about to begin with.

So you’re saying he regards getting the lowest overall time and winning the race as more important than internet debates about who has the best form in February?

 

[Netserk]

Good catch, looks like Vingo's saddle has wings or some such on the back (is it more aero or maybe just more comfortable?), and he doesn't even ride for Red Bull.

Edit: I took the liberty to take a screenshot (which I hope will show up) from a different angle, fascinating indeed! Did anyone see the saddle once Vingo got off the bike? I wasn't able to catch the TT yesterday... maybe it's some kind of a triathlon saddle?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893806655957041450

View: https://x.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1893806655957041450

 

[Tricycle Rider]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893806655957041450

View: https://x.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1893806655957041450

I don't understand the language, I take it the saddle is more aero?

Either way, thank you for the visuals!

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't understand the language, I take it the saddle is more aero?

Either way, thank you for the visuals!

"this saddle was designed specifically to Visma and different riders have a different saddle. In Vingegaard's particular case, he is using a saddle that allows him to be more stable and fixed in his position on the bike..." " TT bikes have a 165 mm cranks meanwhile Vingegaard's TT bike only has 150 mm cranks" he said more things but not too important

 

[Netserk]

I don't understand the language

Me neither. But it's interesting that Wout's saddle has a different "tail".

 

[Tricycle Rider]

"this saddle was designed specifically to Visma and different riders have a different saddle. In Vingegaard's particular case, he is using a saddle that allows him to be more stable and fixed in his position on the bike..." " TT bikes have a 165 mm cranks meanwhile Vingegaard's TT bike only has 150 mm cranks" he said more things but not too important

Thank you for the translation, much appreciated!

 

[Netserk]

"this saddle was designed specifically to Visma and different riders have a different saddle. In Vingegaard's particular case, he is using a saddle that allows him to be more stable and fixed in his position on the bike..." " TT bikes have a 165 mm cranks meanwhile Vingegaard's TT bike only has 150 mm cranks" he said more things but not too important

His road bike was also with 150 mm cranks? What does the 172.5 mm refer to?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893455587117035770

View: https://x.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1893455587117035770

 

[Peyroteo94]

His road bike was also with 150 mm cranks? What does the 172.5 mm refer to?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893455587117035770

View: https://x.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1893455587117035770

He was used (in previous years) to 172.5 mm cranks. Now he is using 150 mm cranks. He is also using a higher saddle compared to previous years. They are really changing a lot this year.

 

[Netserk]

He was used (in previous years) to 172.5 mm cranks. Now he is using 150 mm cranks. He is also using a higher saddle compared to previous years. They are really changing a lot this year.

Thanks!

 

[Froome]

He was used (in previous years) to 172.5 mm cranks. Now he is using 150 mm cranks. He is also using a higher saddle compared to previous years. They are really changing a lot this year.

The TT setup from Visma last year was bad.

 

[RJH]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893806655957041450

View: https://x.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1893806655957041450

Wow… That is not a saddle with a vibrator. This seems to be a pure vibrator.

Lol…

Now it’s clear why he won the TT… ;-)

 

[Lequack]

The guy with the shortest cranks wins the Tour no?

 

[jmdirt]

Because of an ischial-femoral impingement (from injury), I have often wondered if I could make my bike more comfortable with shorter cranks (as opposed to a really low saddle). I however don't have the pull that JV does with manufacturers so 170 (XTR) was the shortest that I could try. I'll be curious how this experiment goes for him.

 

[Mayomaniac]

"this saddle was designed specifically to Visma and different riders have a different saddle. In Vingegaard's particular case, he is using a saddle that allows him to be more stable and fixed in his position on the bike..." " TT bikes have a 165 mm cranks meanwhile Vingegaard's TT bike only has 150 mm cranks" he said more things but not too important

I guess the 150mm cranks will only be for the tts because it allows a lower position while keeping the same hip angle. On steep climbs on the other hand he'd need an extra gear, because 10% shorter cranks means less leverage, making the gear that he's pushing feel like a heavier one (could explain the weird 1x set-up, also saves a few watts and some weight).

 

[Netserk]

I guess the 150mm cranks will only be for the tts because it allows a lower position while keeping the same hip angle. On steep climbs on the other hand he'd need an extra gear, because 10% shorter cranks means less leverage, making the gear that he's pushing feel like a heavier one (could explain the weird 1x set-up, also saves a few watts and some weight).

His stage 4 road bike also had 150 mm cranks.

 

[Mayomaniac]

His stage 4 road bike also had 150 mm cranks.

Ok, that stage wasn't that hard and having an extra day of getting used to shorter cranks is probably not a bad idea.
If he still has them on proper mountain stages it will surprise me. I mean, it makes sense for Pogacar, who was always mashing a big gear before last season, you get him on shorter cranks to up his natural cadence. But such short cranks for Vingegaard on all terrain, he isn't Consonni or Pozzovivo levels of short...

 

[Netserk]

Ok, that stage wasn't that hard and having an extra day of getting used to shorter cranks is probably not a bad idea.
If he still has them on proper mountain stages it will surprise me. I mean, it makes sense for Pogacar, who was always mashing a big gear before last season, you get him on shorter cranks to up his natural cadence. But such short cranks for Vingegaard on all terrain, he isn't Consonni or Pozzovivo levels of short...

It sounds like a general change, by what O País Do Ciclismo says in the tweet a few posts above.

 

[Mayomaniac]

It sounds like a general change, by what O País Do Ciclismo says in the tweet a few posts above.

That said, I don't know how long his legs are, so it's mostly theorycrafting.

 

[Cookster15]

I was stunned when I read Pogi was switching to 165mm cranks but those obviously worked for him. His higher cadence was also noticeable.

But now Jonas is upping the anti with 150mm? This is crazy but obviously it can work based upon Pogacar. Armstrong was the rider I recall who famously reversed the trend to crunch big gears climbing. But Armstrong used 175mm.

Now watch everyone rush to swap out their cranks for shorter versions. The bike industry is on another winner.

 

[tobydawq]

The guy with the shortest cranks wins the Tour no?

Just say that the pedal on the up is actually the one on the down, and you have a negative crank length and win the Tour.

 

[RJH]

Aren’t 150 mm cranks a disadvantage compared to 170/175 cranks?…

Just curious.

 

[Peyroteo94]

All this talk about cranks... he didn't lose last year due to cranks. Legs/power is what he needs to improve.

 

[Froome]

All this talk about cranks... he didn't lose last year due to cranks. Legs/power is what he needs to improve.

Yes, he lost because he had a severe crash.