Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[pelotonIQ]

His crash really affected him. He is afraid of racing in wet conditions, acted like a prima donna in PN. Hope he can surpass this fear in the future.

I'd like to think back to his interviews after his crash in Basque country and how he said that he seriously thought that he was going do die that day and then whilst in the hospital he had serious feelings of quitting professional cycling altogether. With this in mind, you do really wonder where his heart lies whenever he suffers setbacks.

 

[RedheadDane]

Fanboy driven speculation surrounding injuries is completely classless, sort it out lads.

No speculation on my part.
Just the information we have from Visma.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I bet these riders don't even understand the dedication and commitment it takes to wake up early to watch these races before work. But I do it. Yeah, I'm tired, but I get up, make the coffee, and there I am. Mental fortitude. And they can't even be bothered to wake up and sit in the saddle for a few hours in return. Just sad. So much entitlement in this world.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'd like to think back to his interviews after his crash in Basque country and how he said that he seriously thought that he was going do die that day and then whilst in the hospital he had serious feelings of quitting professional cycling altogether. With this in mind, you do really wonder where his heart lies in this moment whenever he suffers setbacks.

Yeah and after seeing his interview about his children doing cycling in the future and his answer was a big "No", he is really on the edge of giving up on professional cycling.

 

[Tim Cahill]

No speculation on my part.
Just the information we have from Visma.

I know I know, it's more the 'he's not riding because he's xxx' stuff, not just here but I can see it all over social media. The default should be believing people who say they are hurt unless they've given reason to suggest they are untrustworthy, which he hasn't.

 

[Divergence]

I know I know, it's more the 'he's not riding because he's xxx' stuff, not just here but I can see it all over social media. The default should be believing people who say they are hurt unless they've given reason to suggest they are untrustworthy, which he hasn't.

I truly believe he is hurt now, but to suggest there is no reason to suspect he is untrustworthy is delusional.

 

[Netserk]

I truly believe he is hurt now, but to suggest there is no reason to suspect he is untrustworthy is delusional.

Other than being a good bike rider, I don't think there's anything untrustworthy about him.

 

[Divergence]

Other than being a good bike rider, I don't think there's anything untrustworthy about him.

Except attacking teammates and lying about it. Pretty much the only thing one can lie about in cycling and he does it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It was rather obvious Jonas won't be ready in ten days time, considering severity of the injury. As for being in the form or not being in the form debate. I feel that at Algarve Jonas made it clear, he is/was in rather good form. Somehow i doubt we will see Jonas racing before Dauphiné. As for mental weakness debate, although being a team leader takes its toll, for now i don't see any substantial issues in this department. It's just that the crash occurred and Jonas got injured, that is all there is to it.

 

[Lequack]

Wrist injuries take some time to get less painful, even with no broken bones. I know since I've had a fall on my wrist recently and still felt it 2 or 3 months after, and especially with cycling you always need to put pressure on the wrist and the road vibrations as well, very annoying injury.

 

[RedheadDane]

Except attacking teammates and lying about it. Pretty much the only thing one can lie about in cycling and he does it.

Awww... come on... I know you're a Roglic-fan, and not like he's an angel.

Well. Not to bring that old story up again; Roglic probably has apologised to Wright by now...

 

[CyclistAbi]

Except attacking teammates and lying about it. Pretty much the only thing one can lie about in cycling and he does it.

The thing is at the Tour your (grand)parents would do the same to you too. It's normal.

 

[Divergence]

The thing is at the Tour your (grand)parents would do the same to you too. It's normal.

It is not about doing that (attacking teammates). I find it absolutely fine to attack. However, if there is an agreement beforehand and you break it that means you are devious. On top of that saying stuff about doing it for family is insufferable.
Just be a man and say I ride for the win even if it is against a teammate, just like Rogla.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for Jonas apologising for his behaviour at the Vuelta and in general for slaying the king. No need for that, the wound was luckily not fatal, the king is back and has a mighty army at his side.

All in all they will sort it out on the road.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It is not about doing that (attacking teammates). I find it absolutely fine to attack. However, if there is an agreement beforehand and you break it that means you are devious. On top of that saying stuff about doing it for family is insufferable.
Just be a man and say I ride for the win even if it is against a teammate, just like Rogla.

In men defence it's not always easy to be a man.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for Jonas saying something like sorry mate, fine. It's all good now, that is in the past and Rogla is in a good place again.

 

[Gratemans]

"Your guy sucks!" "No, your guy sucks!"
"No, yours!"

If it wasn't for the actual news and links to interviews being shared, I would have stopped reading both the Pog and the Vingegaard threads a long time ago.

 

[CyclistAbi]

In my opinion neither suck, they are all great.

P.S. Unless we are talking tactically.

 

[ZvitaFeltna]

Mate, no excuses from me. I am convinced that Pogacar would have still LOST in 2023 even with perfect preparation. Jonas was just better than him in 2023. I'm being real.

Yes, he would lose 2023 TdF and 2024 TdF too if he didn't change the coach. Without heat training and training for longer climbs and stages with high Kj expenditure, he couldn't win Stage 15 last year. Even after they lost Stage 14, VLAB & Jonas were still 100% convinced that if they used their cheat code on Stage 15, Pog would crumble as usual. All the tears after that stage were the realization that 2024 Pog is not the same as 2023 Pog and that the TdF was lost.

 

[Divergence]

I think you know what the wrong Roglic did by blaming Wright for that crash was...

I analyzed this crash when it happened and it is obvious to me that Fred braced for impact and was fully aware that a crash would happen if he did not react to prevent it. And he did not react and he did not prevent it and he brought Rogla down. Rogla was unaware that Fred was there, that is also pretty obvious, otherwise he would have braced for impact as well.
Your opinion might differ and there have been some people defending Fred but these are all English speaking and most of us consume English language media so the bias is obvious.
If this is the best example of bad/deceitful/insufferable behavior by Rogla, it is nothing compared to Vingo.

 

[Cassirer]

I analyzed this crash when it happened and it is obvious to me that Fred braced for impact and was fully aware that a crash would happen if he did not react to prevent it. And he did not react and he did not prevent it and he brought Rogla down. Rogla was unaware that Fred was there, that is also pretty obvious, otherwise he would have braced for impact as well.
Your opinion might differ and there have been some people defending Fred but these are all English speaking and most of us consume English language media so the bias is obvious.
If this is the best example of bad/deceitful/insufferable behavior by Rogla, it is nothing compared to Vingo.

Suggestion for the roglic camp to which I would count myself: This is too bonkers, lets instead go into the "but my guy hurt his wrist more"-debate, because vinge and pog are both sissies compared to rog.

 

[Divergence]

Suggestion for the roglic camp to which I would count myself: This is too bonkers, lets instead go into the "but my guy hurt his wrist more"-debate, because vinge and pog are both sissies compared to rog.

I do not believe that. A hurt wrist is an injury that should never be glossed over when it comes to cycling. It is a critical part of the body to be able to ride safely.
I also believe that besides concussion checks (which should happen but rarely do (as we saw in Vingo's case)) grip strength/wrist maneuverability check should be mandatory after a crash. Otherwise, the sport is not really serious when it comes to safety.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Bunch of texts about Roglic and Wright incident moved to the Roglic thread. I hope I have edited what remains here so that it makes sense.

 

[tobydawq]

Bunch of texts about Roglic and Wright incident moved to the Roglic thread. I hope I have edited what remains here so that it makes sense.

The Wright/Roglic incident should have its own thread.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The Wright/Roglic incident should have its own thread.

If you want to scour the threads for every post about it, provide all the relevant posts' URL references and notes on how to edit the posts that would remain in each thread to retain internal logical coherence, I'd be happy to enact that.