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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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Krzysztof_O

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Krzysztof_O said:
It's possible he won't ride until Dauphine:

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Jonas Vingegaard might not race again until Criterium du Dauphine says Visma DS: "He has to talk it over with his family"

Two-time Tour de France champion Jonas Vingegaard is out of action currently. The Team Visma | Lease a Bike leader suffered a nasty crash at the recent edition of Paris-Nice, ultimately being forced t...
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He has to discuss any potential race addition with the family. This looks a bit weird.
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That was the Feltet.dk interview that Froome linked to. Family discussion can only be about Itzulia or concerns regarding the concussion.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
It's possible he won't ride until Dauphine:

cyclinguptodate.com

Jonas Vingegaard might not race again until Criterium du Dauphine says Visma DS: "He has to talk it over with his family"

Two-time Tour de France champion Jonas Vingegaard is out of action currently. The Team Visma | Lease a Bike leader suffered a nasty crash at the recent edition of Paris-Nice, ultimately being forced t...
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He has to discuss any potential race addition with the family. This looks a bit weird.
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It's Jonas, he discusses everything with his family.

Also, it seemed highly unlikely he would do Romandie and he doesn't race monuments so all in all it's not that unexpected.

Quite a few here suspected we wouldn't see him until the Dauphine.

Sucks about the concussion, and it would appear he should not have got back on that bike...
 
Peyroteo94

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dazaau said:
It's Jonas, he discusses everything with his family.

Also, it seemed highly unlikely he would do Romandie and he doesn't race monuments so all in all it's not that unexpected.

Quite a few here suspected we wouldn't see him until the Dauphine.

Sucks about the concussion, and it would appear he should not have got back on that bike...
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Very disappointing but if this is the best thing to guarantee he will be in peak shape in July... let him only race the Dauphiné.
 
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Just my opinion but the only 'weakness' this rider should theoretically have right now is the psychological one caused by last year's Itzulia crash, which in layman's terms means added nervousness, anxiety or stress during hectic moments or descents.

The only way to 'beat' that is by racing. We all saw how he wasn't exactly comfortable on the Galibier descent in last year's TdF. So I think they would be wise to add something else before the Dauphiné to his program.
 
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Rackham said:
Just my opinion but the only 'weakness' this rider should theoretically have right now is the psychological one caused by last year's Itzulia crash, which in layman's terms means added nervousness, anxiety or stress during hectic moments or descents.

The only way to 'beat' that is by racing. We all saw how he wasn't exactly comfortable on the Galibier descent in last year's TdF. So I think they would be wise to add something else before the Dauphiné to his program.
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The Tour de France was his first race back after such a serious crash. Even so, his descending on the technical parts wasn't actually that bad, he didn't lose any time there. Where he did lose time was on the pure power sections. Which didn't have anything to do with the psychological aspect, but rather with the fact that he lost muscle mass.

If he wants to have any chance of beating Pogacar (which I personally think he won't, his climbing hasn't exactly been impressive so far and a concussion won't have helped) he has to do the training he wants to do. Not racing just for the sake of it.
 
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The Tour de France was his first race back after such a serious crash. Even so, his descending on the technical parts wasn't actually that bad, he didn't lose any time there. Where he did lose time was on the pure power sections. Which didn't have anything to do with the psychological aspect, but rather with the fact that he lost muscle mass.

If he wants to have any chance of beating Pogacar (which I personally think he won't, his climbing hasn't exactly been impressive so far and a concussion won't have helped) he has to do the training he wants to do. Not racing just for the sake of it.
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It wouldn't just be racing for the sake of it, though, but a step to becoming as strong as possible, both physically and mentally, ahead of the Tour.

We know he's a guy who at times needs confidence and reassurance to perform at his best (obviously that's the case for everyone, but for some more than others), and if he either ends up getting his butt kicked in Dauphine or is simply hit by bad luck once more, you couldn't fault him for starting the Tour without much of a belief he's actually able to win. If he had performed well in Itzulia or other races beforehand, then perhaps that could give him an important moral boost in such a situation. You and I both expect him to lose the Tour anyway, but second place is never guaranteed.
 
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Samu Cuenca said:
It wouldn't just be racing for the sake of it, though, but a step to becoming as strong as possible, both physically and mentally, ahead of the Tour.

We know he's a guy who at times needs confidence and reassurance to perform at his best (obviously that's the case for everyone, but for some more than others), and if he either ends up getting his butt kicked in Dauphine or is simply hit by bad luck once more, you couldn't fault him for starting the Tour without much of a belief he's actually able to win. If he had performed well in Itzulia or other races beforehand, then perhaps that could give him an important moral boost in such a situation. You and I both expect him to lose the Tour anyway, but second place is never guaranteed.
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He used to be insecure to the point that it made him physically sick, but I think he's now found a mode that works for him (and which is ridiculed by some, like the excessive focus on his family) and self confidence isn't really an issue anymore. A moral boost would be nice, but this boost has to come from having the legs, having the physical capability. If an extra training camp is what he needs to get to this level, I'd say that's more important than an extra race.
 
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Rackham said:
Just my opinion but the only 'weakness' this rider should theoretically have right now is the psychological one caused by last year's Itzulia crash, which in layman's terms means added nervousness, anxiety or stress during hectic moments or descents.

The only way to 'beat' that is by racing. We all saw how he wasn't exactly comfortable on the Galibier descent in last year's TdF. So I think they would be wise to add something else before the Dauphiné to his program.
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Theoretically, the after effect of a concussion can still affect him. And "right now" he will also be affected by the missing training.
 
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Rackham said:
Just my opinion but the only 'weakness' this rider should theoretically have right now is the psychological one caused by last year's Itzulia crash, which in layman's terms means added nervousness, anxiety or stress during hectic moments or descents.

The only way to 'beat' that is by racing. We all saw how he wasn't exactly comfortable on the Galibier descent in last year's TdF. So I think they would be wise to add something else before the Dauphiné to his program.
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He did a huge effort (also mental) to reach high form for the last Tour after the crash. Maybe this (combined with the crash itself) caused some kind of mental flatness.
 
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Bad luck will end very soon.

Time to recover and then buildup for Dauphiné. Fortunately he didn't broke anything.

He usually improve a lot doing altitude training camps. Dauphiné+ 2/3 altitude training camp is what he needs before the Tour.

Obviously it would be better doing and winning Paris nice and catalunya, but it doesn't have any influence for july not doing those races.
 
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Crashes ended many careers. Maybe not at once, but many were never the same after them. I think Jonas is one of those riders. He started making mistakes, he's anxious, he can't get to the level he was and even if he would, it would be lower then Pogačars. Visma wants him winning Tour and they put huge pressure on him for the race. Nothing else matters.

I think Visma is becoming a really bad environment for any rider. They will run them into the ground to get some result.
 
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Gargamel35 said:
Crashes ended many careers. Maybe not at once, but many were never the same after them. I think Jonas is one of those riders. He started making mistakes, he's anxious, he can't get to the level he was and even if he would, it would be lower then Pogačars. Visma wants him winning Tour and they put huge pressure on him for the race. Nothing else matters.

I think Visma is becoming a really bad environment for any rider. They will run them into the ground to get some result.
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Calm down, Visma is still the second best team in the world and it is normal to expect their top riders to get good results. High performance is full of sacrifices, tears and blood. Vingegaard is their biggest star, it is normal to expect big things from him and he knows this.
Do you know how many riders won the Tour 2 times in a row since 1990 (specialization era)?
Indurain
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3 GT legends of this sport. How can Visma not put pressure in his biggest star and one of the best GT riders ever? For me he may not have the palmares but he definitely has the qualities of a legendary GT rider.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Calm down, Visma is still the second best team in the world and it is normal to expect their top riders to get good results. High performance is full of sacrifices, tears and blood. Vingegaard is their biggest star, it is normal to expect big things from him and he knows this.
Do you know how many riders won the Tour 2 times in a row since 1990 (specialization era)?
Indurain
Froome
Pogacar
3 GT legends of this sport. How can Visma not put pressure in his biggest star and one of the best GT riders ever? For me he may not have the palmares but he definitely has the qualities of a legendary GT rider.
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Jonas
 
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Froome said:
He usually improve a lot doing altitude training camps. Dauphiné+ 2/3 altitude training camp is what he needs before the Tour.
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If he seriously injured than fine.

But staying away for races for 3 months in the middle of season is so bad for the sport. It’s a serious problem for cycling that some riders and teams prefer altitude over races all the times.
 
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