Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Rackham]

I wouldn't argue about who gets the best scraps tbh.

Pog is on another planet and everyone else is seen as mortal by comparison.

 

[Salvarani]

Because you are comparing a specialist (Ganna) to a generalist (Pogacar). While Evenepoel (generalist) and Vingegaard (GT rider) are much more similar to each other.

Remco does not race classics, nor is one of the best climbers. He defends himself in the mountains. He has gotten beaten more in GC in many races against many different riders, than he has won them.

He is not a (generalist).

He is great in flat ITTs, hilly one-day races and can ride GC when he has had perfect prep. He does not go well on all terrain though or is one of the best at multiple ones.

 

[Blanco]

Remco does not race classics, nor is one of the best climbers. He defends himself in the mountains. He has gotten beaten more in GC in many races against many different riders, than he has won them.

He is not a (generalist).

He is great in flat ITTs, hilly one-day races and can ride GC when he has had perfect prep. He does not go well on all terrain though or is one of the best at multiple ones.

He is 3rd best one-day rider of the peloton (with 4 big wins), one of the 2 best time trialists (probably will end up as the best) and a GT winner.
How he is not a generalist then?

 

[Salvarani]

He is 3rd best one-day rider of the peloton (with 4 big wins), one of the 2 best time trialists (probably will end up as the best) and a GT winner.
How he is not a generalist then?

He doesnt ride on all terrain, nor is one of the best in multiple ones.

He has not raced 3/5 monuments.

Thats enough to claim he is not a "generalist".

He does consistently get beaten by other riders in stage-races and GTs. Especially in the mountains.

His one GT-win is looking more and more like an anomaly.

He is not a "generalist".

 

[Berflamand]

He doesnt ride on all terrain, nor is one of the best in multiple ones.

He has not raced 3/5 monuments.

Thats enough to claim he is not a "generalist".

He does consistently get beaten by other riders in stage-races and GTs. Especially in the mountains.

His one GT-win is looking more and more like an anomaly.

He is not a "generalist".

Who, aside from Pog, is a generalist then?

Also, why is his GT-win looking like an anomaly while he has since then finished on the podium of the Tour behind two guys who are widely regarded as (being amongst) the best GT-riders in the history of the sport and he has ridden a Giro where it definitely looked like he would compete for the win before he had to abandon due to Covid?

 

[Blanco]

He doesnt ride on all terrain, nor is one of the best in multiple ones.

He has not raced 3/5 monuments.

Thats enough to claim he is not a "generalist".

He does consistently get beaten by other riders in stage-races and GTs. Especially in the mountains.

His one GT-win is looking more and more like an anomaly.

He is not a "generalist".

What is a generalist then? And can you name me one beside Pogacar?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Looking back at Trine's comments about racing too much, altitude camps and the likes puts things into perspective and really underlines how ridicolous that article was in the first place - there is absolutely no chance other than preparing 100% optimally for a race like this against Pogacar. You can't have the best of both worlds if you want to beat Pogacar, and you probably can't beat him anyways, but this is not the Jonas of 22-24. This is the Jonas of "hey, I imporved my explosiveness for absolutely no other reason than keeping it close until the mountains".

I wonder how Jonas and Visma feels about this. Grischa was very honest about it all, but haven't heard a bleep from Jonas who most likely was very, very disappointed. Matteo was defeated, no excuses.

 

[Salvarani]

What is a generalist then? And can you name me one beside Pogacar?

I dont use the term generalist. I responded to a post.

You cant claim he is one though when he doesnt even race on all terrain, nor is among the best and only defends himself in some.

There have been very few riders who can win in classics, one-day races and GTs.

 

[Berniece]

There have been very few riders who can win in classics, one-day races and GTs.

Evenepoel literally won WC, LBL and Vuelta in the same year, and a year later WC ITT. The only thing he hasn't ridden yet is on cobbles. He clearly is a generalist.

 

[Salvarani]

Evenepoel literally won WC, LBL and Vuelta in the same year, and a year later WC ITT. The only thing he hasn't ridden yet is on cobbles. He clearly is a generalist.

That doesnt mean he is a generalist. He is not consistent. It is circumstantial in his case.

When he is not good, or races, on all terrain.

 

[Blanco]

I dont use the term generalist. I responded to a post.

You cant claim he is one though when he doesnt even race on all terrain, nor is among the best and only defends himself in some.

There have been very few riders who can win in classics, one-day races and GTs.

If by the term classics you mean cobbled classics, then there are no few but only Pogacar, and we must go 30 years in past to find another one.

 

[AmRacer]

But Remco can beat him at least in TT's, Vingegaard can't beat him anywhere. That's the point.

Jonas can beat Remco in some TT's

 

[Pozzovivo]

Jonas can beat Remco in some TT's

Like today

 

[Lequack]

This Jonas is a funny guy. Is the becoming the new Roglic?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6d-ZJcNgMI

 

[YavorD]

This Jonas is a funny guy. Is the becoming the new Roglic?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6d-ZJcNgMI

The moment when we talk about running before Ventoux..ooh

 

[veganrob]

@Logic-is-your-friend 2.5 kg difference is really a lot. I agree it makes no sense then to do the climb on a TT bike. I guessed the difference was smaller than that (but I have no specific knowledge about it) and it was closer to a borderline case.

In 2010 I had my Look 596 i pack TT bike built up 7.6 kg. Nothing fancy. Zipp wheels. Campy gruppo.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Starting to wonder if the Trine interviews were in fact totally as his manager...

And they simply knew Jonas was not the same Jonas as even last year so wanted to be the first to strike in terms of excuses aha.

A lot of the media pressure - especially in more mainstream - when the tour is over will be on Visma now and not Jonas.

 

[Red Rick]

This Jonas is a funny guy. Is the becoming the new Roglic?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6d-ZJcNgMI

Vingegaard is more personable than he gets credit for I think. He seems pretty chill in most interviews.

 

[dobrien]

Vingegaard is more personable than he gets credit for I think. He seems pretty chill in most interviews.

Totally agree.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Vingegaard played a big part in creating this monster.
Without him Pog would be cruising after 2021, not bothering to surpass himself.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think Vingegaard will have a great MTT.
I will even dare to say he will be very close or surpass his 2023 ITT performance.

 

[Pozzovivo]

I think Vingegaard will have a great MTT.
I will even dare to say he will be very close or surpass his 2023 ITT performance.

and why do you believe that?

 

[Lequack]

and why do you believe that?

I guess mods are back in action, since @Lorzenz08 was immediately banned for praising Vingegaard.

 

[Kedjan]

Proves today he is still clearly the second best rider.

Looked much better today, think he went over his limited a bit yesterday and paid for it.

Still, must be demoralizing for him seeing Pog dominate again.

Giro next year?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Like I said, Lipo is nowhere near his level.