Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Samu Cuenca]

Yeah... it's stupid. He wouldn't have become World Champion if he was some skinny climber. But as he so nicely put it; "I'm not even going to ride for top-100 in a GT!"

He's also getting paid to have weird views, and I doubt he knows that much about sprinting and cobbles anyway.

 

[yaco]

I am interested in what Jonas can do outside of GT's. How much versatility is in his kit bag ? Time will tell.

 

[staubsauger]

I‘m a big fan of Roglic, of Jumbo, of Vingegaard.

My big wish: if Vingegaard should win this TdF, please (please, please!) invite Michael Rasmussen to the celebrations to Paris on Sunday evening!

Michael, the Dane of Team Rabobank, actually won the TdF 2007. Now, 15 years later, it would be Vingegaard, the Dane of Jumbo. What a story. Rasmussen and Vingegaard are two of the best climbers in the history of the Tour de France.

Rasmussen actually is there for Ekstrabladet!

 

[RedheadDane]

He's also getting paid to have weird views, and I doubt he knows that much about sprinting and cobbles anyway.

So, he's basically going "I don't understand it, and all riders should be of a type I can understand."?

 

[Blobs]

I was just trying to remember what went down exactly that year. What happened on Stage 8 for Rasmussen to gain 3:31 on Contador? If not for that day, he would have been way behind before he got pulled with another ITT to go.

He was in the break away.

 

[staubsauger]

He was in the break away.

He actually attacked, bridged over to the breakaway. Pulled the breakaway to reel-in Kohl. Led the downhill mainly, because he was a good descender. Pulled with Colom and Arroyo (?) on his wheel until he just rode them off. Barely lost any time up towards Tignes to the favorites group around Evans (and originally Contador), and Mayo / Valverde.

Discovery Channel was playing the leaning away the yellow jersey game. Astana couldn't change leadership towards Kashechkin (or Klöden) and rode a fake tempo for Vinokourov who struggled.

Actually it was a perfectly placed attack by Rasmussen. Taking advantage of a tactical situation / play along and finishing it off with impressive strength.

One of the nicest Tour winners he would have been from a purely sporting point of view.

 

[hender-retour]

I am interested in what Jonas can do outside of GT's. How much versatility is in his kit bag ? Time will tell.

He is Young. I think he will aim for 5 TDF wins before anything else.
If the route, team or anything else blows him out the water next two years he might go for other things. He did deny participating in the Worlds last year on a route that suited him. Unfortunately I think He will stick to the Tour only.

A counter point could be, that even though he shattered TP this TDF he has some way to go to reach his palmares.

 

[RedheadDane]

Something I've been wondering:

If Jumbo had actually made the decision before the race that Vingegaard would be the primary leader, with the whole "Two leaders" thing being a bluff - as speculated in the Roglic thread - does that mean that Roglic's comment during the team presentation in Tivoli about how it would be Vingegaard who'd take the final decision was actually true? At the time it just seemed like he was saying it to make the crowd happy.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I missed that. What exactly did Roglic say?

 

[RedheadDane]

I missed that. What exactly did Roglic say?

"Vingegaard!"
When asked who would take the final decision.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Decision about what exactly? I think I’m just missing some context.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Good performance on this Tour and a good thing he went for it on stage 18. After showing some sportsmanship.

I guess now it's really left up to JV to not do anything stupid.

 

[RedheadDane]

Decision about what exactly? I think I’m just missing some context.

Who'd be leader. I don't remember the full quote, apart from the "Who takes the final decision?" part, but it was definitely about leadership.

 

[Gratemans]

Something I've been wondering:

If Jumbo had actually made the decision before the race that Vingegaard would be the primary leader, with the whole "Two leaders" thing being a bluff - as speculated in the Roglic thread - does that mean that Roglic's comment during the team presentation in Tivoli about how it would be Vingegaard who'd take the final decision was actually true? At the time it just seemed like he was saying it to make the crowd happy.

A Dutch journalist that followed Vingegaard this year and did an in-depth interview with him said that Roglic even last year was saying to everyone that wanted to hear it that Vingegaard was gonna win the Tour, which actually kind of embarrassed Vingegaard at the time according to her. It wasn't specified wether Roglic meant this year or in the future though. She also mentioned Vingegaard considers Roglic his best friend in the team and that he always has been like a mentor to him.

If all that is true, I think the team putting him as primary leader from the get-go with Primoz in on it could very well be true. It's a big if though, admittedly.
Anyway, it would never be Vingegaard himself who would make that decision. It'd always be team management of course. I think Roglic was using it metaphorically meaning "Vingegaards legs will decide".

Now I know all of the above sounds sugarsweet so I'm also gonna say this: I'm still not sure what I've witnessed the past two days. Was it attractive? Hell yeah. Do I trust the main players and their doms to have played it fair? I've been watching this sport for faaar too long to simply answer that question with a 'yes'.
Time will tell I guess. But what else is new? It's cycling after all.

 

[Tonton]

Happy for Denmark. It's more than a win for Jonas, it's a great cycling country,, so many great riders over the years and this....happy for Denmark.

 

[Jumbot]

The cockiness and arrogance of this guy though, not pushing when Pogi crashed on that decent because why would he when he can just beat him on a climb... Impossible to like guy... Not to mention his style on a bike and the cardboard personality

 

[Nick2413]

Something I've been wondering:

If Jumbo had actually made the decision before the race that Vingegaard would be the primary leader, with the whole "Two leaders" thing being a bluff - as speculated in the Roglic thread - does that mean that Roglic's comment during the team presentation in Tivoli about how it would be Vingegaard who'd take the final decision was actually true? At the time it just seemed like he was saying it to make the crowd happy.

I think it became clear Vingegaard was stronger when he was nose breathing shepherding Roglic all around France at the Dauphine 2 weeks before the Tour. Not to say it in a disrespectful way, and Roglic is still very strong, but I assumed Roglic was only considered the leader by the general public out of respect and not looking at the actual data. Yes he got injured, but the team definitely knew the data and while co leaders was a fair bet, they probably were all aware of who had the better numbers.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Can anyone tell me for sure what happened when Jonas almost lost it on the bend on Stage 19? When I first saw it, I thought the back wheel slid on the pavement. But Armstrong/Hincapie said he unclipped on the downstroke. Other commentators said he pushed the pedal on the downstroke "too soon" in the corner. I guess where I'm not understanding from watching the near-disastrous-wreck is why the back wheel jumped off the ground. It almost looks as if his heel hit it.

Does anyone know for sure what happened?

 

[Zen Master]

The cockiness and arrogance of this guy though, not pushing when Pogi crashed on that decent because why would he when he can just beat him on a climb... Impossible to like guy... Not to mention his style on a bike and the cardboard personality

Please remind me what exactly happened after Andy Schleck attacked Contador and then dropped his chain in the 2010 Tour de France?! I mean, does anyone remember the outrage and that Contador had to apologize for taking advantage of Schleck's mechanical problem, even if was obvious to anyone that the only problem was Andy himself and his over-shifting. So, that cockiness and arrogance is sometimes called fair-play, and even Lance famously waited for Ulrich after his crash on stage 13 in the 2001 Tour.

 

[RedheadDane]

The cockiness and arrogance of this guy though, not pushing when Pogi crashed on that decent because why would he when he can just beat him on a climb... Impossible to like guy... Not to mention his style on a bike and the cardboard personality

This appears to be one of those cases where a rider's personality does not show up so well in international media.
He just prefers to stick to what's known - living in Glyngøre with his family.

 

[Warhawk]

Well then the arrogance of him to have a family when he's 25 and I'm y'know what never mind forget I said anything.

 

[memyselfandI]

Good performance on this Tour and a good thing he went for it on stage 18. After showing some sportsmanship.

I guess now it's really left up to JV to not do anything stupid.

Time for a small crash in the peloton while Jumbo teamcar is parked by the side of the road for a peebreak, no?

 

[tobydawq]

The cockiness and arrogance of this guy though, not pushing when Pogi crashed on that decent because why would he when he can just beat him on a climb... Impossible to like guy...

Sure, that's one way to interpret that action...

 

[Extinction]

The cockiness and arrogance of this guy though, not pushing when Pogi crashed on that decent because why would he when he can just beat him on a climb... Impossible to like guy... Not to mention his style on a bike and the cardboard personality

Or could have been just fair play. On the other hand, had Pog been seriously putting him under pressure, would Vingegaard have waited?

 

[meat puppet]

IMHO the fair play motive of waiting overlapped with a) asserting psychological dominance and b) using the stop as an insurance policy in case JV crashes again. Doesn't make any of the aspects less real, just more nuanced.

When Vingo almost crashed, Pogi just went for it.