Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[CyclistAbi]

FYI Rogla winning isn't part of that deal, it's only in between Pogi and Jonas and even for that we aren't taking it seriously.

 

[Maxss]

I think Jonas did a good Dauphine, even compared to expectations. The level was extremely high. When was the last time he competed at such a high level? Probably TDF24. I believe it will help him tremendously.
Just the peloton skills themselves...Take stage 6 for example: Just as Sivakov was emptying himself before pulling off, Jonas was out of position and had to make a big effort to move up. That cost him , cause he had no time to recover. Then he made the mistake (not really, cause you want to see where you are) of going too deep and it caused a complete explosion which resulted in a 1 min gap.

Visma and UAE are taking different approaches, So I wouldn't draw too much from the Dauphine, at least regarding the differences between them. The battle ground is the TDF, always has been. Don't forget Tadej killed him in TA22 and PN23 only to lose the Tour on both occasions. It doesn't mean it's gonna happen again, just that these 1 week races are a totally different ball game. Of course Tadej is stronger in those races, he always has been. He is the stronger rider overall, again no surprise there. But the Tour is so much more difficult, this is where Jonas can compensate and has shown it in the past.

I don't think we've seen the best of Jonas yet, he'll probably increase his level further during the next few weeks. This plus the very strong team gives me every reason to be optimistic.

 

[Froome]

I think Jonas did a good Dauphine, even compared to expectations. The level was extremely high. When was the last time he competed at such a high level? Probably TDF24. I believe it will help him tremendously.
Just the peloton skills themselves...Take stage 6 for example: Just as Sivakov was emptying himself before pulling off, Jonas was out of position and had to make a big effort to move up. That cost him , cause he had no time to recover. Then he made the mistake (not really, cause you want to see where you are) of going too deep and it caused a complete explosion which resulted in a 1 min gap.

Visma and UAE are taking different approaches, So I wouldn't draw too much from the Dauphine, at least regarding the differences between them. The battle ground is the TDF, always has been. Don't forget Tadej killed him in TA22 and PN23 only to lose the Tour on both occasions. It doesn't mean it's gonna happen again, just that these 1 week races are a totally different ball game. Of course Tadej is stronger in those races, he always has been. He is the stronger rider overall, again no surprise there. But the Tour is so much more difficult, this is where Jonas can compensate and has shown it in the past.

I don't think we've seen the best of Jonas yet, he'll probably increase his level further during the next few weeks. This plus the very strong team gives me every reason to be optimistic.

He did great in the ITT, considering we are in June. I think he had the power to short and fresh efforts, but he suffered a bit more in the mountains due to lack of racing.

Valmonier he improved, but in Combloux he was stuck in his the level of 2023.

 

[Froome]

FYI Rogla winning isn't part of that deal, it's only in between Pogi and Jonas and even for that we aren't taking it seriously.

It is the same Abi. If roglic beats Vingegaard in the Tour or Vuelta, i will be out of this forum.

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard not Pogacar the favourite for 2025 Tour de France says Jerome Pineau: "He will be more than ready for the challenge come July"

It's fair to say, that after a dominant performance at the recent Criterium du Dauphiné, defending Maillot Jaune Tadej Pogacar heads to the Tour de France in 2025 as the man to beat once again in the...

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I firmly believe it," Pineau begins in conversation with the Grand Plateau podcast, impressed by the level shown from Vingegaard at the Dauphine, despite the Dane's ultimate defeat by Pogacar in the high mountains. "He’s coming off a long training block, and I think he’s in astonishing form, considering everything he’s been through."
Pineau also looks towards the 2024 Tour de France as evidence to back up his claim, suggesting the performance of Vingegaard twelve months ago after so little preparation bodes well for this year, given he has had time to prepare properly. "I thought he was outstanding last year when he finished second," says Pineau firmly. "He never gave up. He was far behind Pogacar after a serious crash, yet he kept fighting."

And so, despite finishing almost a minute down on Pogacar at the Dauphine, Vingegaard remains the man to beat according to the French ex-pro. "I have him down as the Tour winner because he showed some impressive signs this week — especially in the time trial, where he took 30 seconds out of Pogacar," he explains. "I believe he’ll make huge strides and will be more than ready for the challenge come July."

 

[CyclistAbi]

It is the same Abi. If roglic beats Vingegaard in the Tour or Vuelta, i will be out of this forum.

Nah, we won't let you off that easily, Jonas will need you. Plus Rogla was never part of the deal in the first place and Jonas did hit the deck in spring, so 2025 is out of the question anyway, all riders need to be riding healthy.

 

[Oldman]

Even his team said Vingegaard doesn't need to race a lot and how he can be really good with obly altitude training. Every indicator points to a boring Tour.

They've defended that philosophy for awhile. I don't think that works after a significant absence due to injury. Simulate all you want but there is no replacement for digging deeper than the comfort level and then finding the recovery time for that effort. He simply hasn't had enough time to accomplish that. Like you, I think his resources may not elevate that enough to make the Tour super exciting.

 

[Oldman]

Vingegaard not Pogacar the favourite for 2025 Tour de France says Jerome Pineau: "He will be more than ready for the challenge come July"

It's fair to say, that after a dominant performance at the recent Criterium du Dauphiné, defending Maillot Jaune Tadej Pogacar heads to the Tour de France in 2025 as the man to beat once again in the...

cyclinguptodate.com

I firmly believe it," Pineau begins in conversation with the Grand Plateau podcast, impressed by the level shown from Vingegaard at the Dauphine, despite the Dane's ultimate defeat by Pogacar in the high mountains. "He’s coming off a long training block, and I think he’s in astonishing form, considering everything he’s been through."
Pineau also looks towards the 2024 Tour de France as evidence to back up his claim, suggesting the performance of Vingegaard twelve months ago after so little preparation bodes well for this year, given he has had time to prepare properly. "I thought he was outstanding last year when he finished second," says Pineau firmly. "He never gave up. He was far behind Pogacar after a serious crash, yet he kept fighting."

And so, despite finishing almost a minute down on Pogacar at the Dauphine, Vingegaard remains the man to beat according to the French ex-pro. "I have him down as the Tour winner because he showed some impressive signs this week — especially in the time trial, where he took 30 seconds out of Pogacar," he explains. "I believe he’ll make huge strides and will be more than ready for the challenge come July."

It seems Pineau is glossing over much of the tactical rope-a-doping in the Dauphine. While some riders showed great form it's also clear not everyone committed as deeply as they could. Vindegaard has made great post-injury strides but, like last Tour; it's unknown if it 3 weeks worth of upgrade.

 

[YavorD]

Vingegaard not Pogacar the favourite for 2025 Tour de France says Jerome Pineau: "He will be more than ready for the challenge come July"

It's fair to say, that after a dominant performance at the recent Criterium du Dauphiné, defending Maillot Jaune Tadej Pogacar heads to the Tour de France in 2025 as the man to beat once again in the...

cyclinguptodate.com

I firmly believe it," Pineau begins in conversation with the Grand Plateau podcast, impressed by the level shown from Vingegaard at the Dauphine, despite the Dane's ultimate defeat by Pogacar in the high mountains. "He’s coming off a long training block, and I think he’s in astonishing form, considering everything he’s been through."
Pineau also looks towards the 2024 Tour de France as evidence to back up his claim, suggesting the performance of Vingegaard twelve months ago after so little preparation bodes well for this year, given he has had time to prepare properly. "I thought he was outstanding last year when he finished second," says Pineau firmly. "He never gave up. He was far behind Pogacar after a serious crash, yet he kept fighting."

And so, despite finishing almost a minute down on Pogacar at the Dauphine, Vingegaard remains the man to beat according to the French ex-pro. "I have him down as the Tour winner because he showed some impressive signs this week — especially in the time trial, where he took 30 seconds out of Pogacar," he explains. "I believe he’ll make huge strides and will be more than ready for the challenge come July."

Wasn't Pineau the one who messed up his team B&B hotels?
I wouldn't put a lot of credibility on him.

 

[hayneplane]

Like i said before the end of the Giro, Visma will win the three Grand Tours this year, but this time the Tour will be a close call like a gap 1 min and half/ 2 min, not like in the last years.

I stand by what i said, but remember the conditions, "no bad luck or crashes".

Bad luck is a very broad term. Does that include the misfortune of bad timing to be up against the ascending best rider of the last 50 years.

 

[Froome]

Nah, we won't let you off that easily, Jonas will need you. Plus Rogla was never part of the deal in the first place and Jonas did hit the deck in spring, so 2025 is out of the question anyway, all riders need to be riding healthy.

Roglic have reasons for not being in top shape during the Tour after what happened with the crashes.

Vingegaard will be fine in July. The concussion had influence in the Dauphine in the sense of lack of racing. It will not be a problem in July.

My point is similar to what sainz said, in terms of what kind of preparation Vingegaard is doing.

A Manolo Saiz no le impresionó Pogacar en la Dauphine y señala que "¡hay mucho Tour, pero mucho! y lo va a ganar Vingegaard"

Para el legendario director del equipo ONCE el Tour va a estar muy igualado y ve más favorito a Vingegaad que a Pogacar.

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I will not leave the forum Abi, i trust 100% in what Jonas will do in the Tour.