Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Bolder]

Not good a for morale.

Turning this around seems almost impossible.

For us who wanted a battle, this was a tragic day.

It was a shocker. I'm sure Pog felt the same way in 2023.

But I suspect Jonas feels worse about his own form than about Pog's. We all know that Pog can do anything on a bike and killing it in a flat ITT is hardly unexpected for a guy who regularly wins with raids of 75 km plus.

 

[noob]

More inclined to fast go to LRCP to watch Broe reaction, because yesterday he had the opposite of a poker face.

 

[Divergence]

I am sure Trine told him to take it easy today in the corners. He looked fast on the flat.

 

[fenns]

Poor time trial but at one point in '22 he was 30 secs down on Pogi in the GC

It could be his prep has focused on high mountains with the effect of diminishing his effectiveness in flat TTs

 

[Peyroteo94]

I hope he has improved his climbing level, because this can be really a long and hard Tour for him.

 

[Valv.Piti]

This is what happens when Visma pushes Jonas too hard. Already tired of the constant travelling

 

[Alien Performance]

I am not worried. Vingegaard will win the Tour, 100% sure, but with a less gap than 2023, because pogacar will not fade in any stage.

PDB 2024 is the biggest reason who will explain why Vingegaard will win this year, plus the perfomance 2025 in ITTs.

still 100% sure?

 

[Lorzenz08]

Vingo did the performance of his life on flat ITT.
Unfortunately when you face greatness reincarnated there is little you can do

 

[Red Rick]

Most likely this *** TT is an isolated incident. You don't follow yesterday if you're truly that ass.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Most likely this *** TT is an isolated incident. You don't follow yesterday if you're truly that ass.

In a 3-week race some days are better and some are worse. This was clearly a subpar performance but the GC damage was done.

 

[CatchyH]

Well it was a nice battle for exactly 4 days. Maybe next year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

There are still 4 chaotic stages where Pogacar can fall, it's not over

Well it was a nice battle for exactly 4 days. Maybe next year.

 

[Oldman]

This is what happens when Visma pushes Jonas too hard. Already tired of the constant travelling

And the result of Visma's aggressive, first week tactics. Biggest beneficiaries were MvP and Pogacar. Their chief problem is all of that strategic strategy didn't deal with Jonas' chief weakness: he absolutely couldn't drop Pogacar in those race situations and made it easy for Tadej to simply ride near the front and keep an eye on JV pack momentum. Then hammer Jonas as the opportunity presents itself. Alpecin helped where UAE didn't and this will become more obvious from today to the rest day.
I've said it before: they should give Matteo a break from the frutiless aggression and let him race for the longer goal. They'll waste both he and Jonas, otherwise.

 

[Oldman]

There are still 4 chaotic stages where Pogacar can fall, it's not over

It definitely isn't but Visma got a chilling reassessment today after this quote from their staff yesterday:

Zonneveld saw Pogacar “being human, with also has limits and boundaries” on Tuesday​

A real Tour indeed, and Zonneveld has his arguments ready for that. “Vingegaard saw that Pogacar also had to sit down. At that moment, Pogacar changed from the untouchable robot, an alien who is basically too good for everyone, into a human. A human who also has his limits and boundaries. Vingegaard then closed that gap and they were together again.”

I saw something completely different. Tadej hit the hill summit and saw how close MVP and company were. Not good odds and he slowed down to be in good position for the descent. Better to be in control and not get nuked by the chasers at the finish. If anything they'd gather this impression: Tadej is a world's better finisher than Jonas and has confidence in that fact. Jonas knows it too and prays for payback in the mountains should he get the chance.
It's a repeat of the Mike Tyson quote: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It definitely isn't but Visma got a chilling reassessment today after this quote from their staff yesterday:

Zonneveld saw Pogacar “being human, with also has limits and boundaries” on Tuesday​

A real Tour indeed, and Zonneveld has his arguments ready for that. “Vingegaard saw that Pogacar also had to sit down. At that moment, Pogacar changed from the untouchable robot, an alien who is basically too good for everyone, into a human. A human who also has his limits and boundaries. Vingegaard then closed that gap and they were together again.”

I saw something completely different. Tadej hit the hill summit and saw how close MVP and company were. Not good odds and he slowed down to be in good position for the descent.

If he has eyes in the back of his head, then I'm not too sure he's human.

 

[broppo]

There are still 4 chaotic stages where Pogacar can fall, it's not over

The tour was already over after stage 3 in the dauphine

 

[GroupDK]

Do dig the wordplay in the title to this old danish 80s hit

View: https://youtu.be/2CWRDZGehWI?si=JPcmOhxOhB5YTGvF&t=12


Vingegaad was suppar today -- even though one can argue its a flat, windy stage that doesnt suit him but he needs to be closer to the champ Pogacar on a stage like this.
That Remco nails it, is what it is.. he is the worlds best TT on a flat windy-stage like this, hands down..

The only small hope for Vingegaard is that, its still the same uphill scenario .. You need to break Pogacar to the point that he goes on the radio with another "Im gone, Im dead"
it would not be the small win margins that would ever be Vingegaard's way to main success I reckon, as Pogacar will constantly pick up the small finish points from his outstanding finish.

Saw the interview with Jonas, and he couldn't find the rhythm and keep the pace.

 

[Oldman]

If he has eyes in the back of his head, then I'm not too sure he's human.

He turned and looked at the gap and Jonas before letting off. Doesn't need the spare eyes, anyway.

 

[Oldman]

Do dig the wordplay in the title to this old danish 80s hit

View: https://youtu.be/2CWRDZGehWI?si=JPcmOhxOhB5YTGvF&t=12


Vingegaad was suppar today -- even though one can argue its a flat, windy stage that doesnt suit him but he needs to be closer to the champ Pogacar on a stage like this.
That Remco nails it, is what it is.. he is the worlds best TT on a flat windy-stage like this, hands down..

The only small hope for Vingegaard is that, its still the same uphill scenario .. You need to break Pogacar to the point that he goes on the radio with another "Im gone, Im dead"
it would not be the small win margins that would ever be Vingegaard's way to main success I reckon, as Pogacar will constantly pick up the small finish points from his outstanding finish.

Saw the interview with Jonas, and he couldn't find the rhythm and keep the pace.

The "I'm gone, I'm dead" quote came from a bonked out Pogacar. He dropped off the field before the climbing got serious and Jonas prevailed.
What are the odds that happens again?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Do dig the wordplay in the title to this old danish 80s hit.

I'm glad to hear there's one other person who appreciates it.

 

[Salvarani]

When the comms from the car was panicing early on it was telling

It wasnt going to plan and got worse

 

[YavorD]

Did they tell him to show the world who is the best?
I think they forgot. And it showed.

 

[slim charles]

Did Grischa say 'you're a legend, eh'

 

[SHAD0W93]

More inclined to fast go to LRCP to watch Broe reaction, because yesterday he had the opposite of a poker face.

Yesterday on the race stream he thought Vingegaard could attack off the top of the hill lol

 

[BubbaChuck]

visma is in delusion,you can watch roe yesterday,how giddy he was that joans was able to hold the wheel on that joke of ahill.its very simple really,how can you outrecover a guy,who can hold form whole year for first time in 50 years.