Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[solo80k]

Great fight today, catching Remco and really resistant to Pogacar today.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Like I said, Lipo is nowhere near his level.

MTT is another discipline. Roglic for example struggles on longer and harder mountain stages, but still has the turbo to do well today. Lipo is much more of a diesel, so I still think we'd have to wait for tomorrow to really assess their level. Of course Lipo's pace was more constant yesterday, but remember that he still made a bunch of accelerations in that group behind, but Vinge obviously blew himself up in the bottom half.

 

[kingjr]

My favourite quote of the race thus far (accidentally posted in the clinic thread first, no innuendo intended): "Normally, I don't have any bad days at the Tour"

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Very good ride today. He paced himself well and passed Remco at the end.

 

[Oldman]

MTT is another discipline. Roglic for example struggles on longer and harder mountain stages, but still has the turbo to do well today. Lipo is much more of a diesel, so I still think we'd have to wait for tomorrow to really assess their level. Of course Lipo's pace was more constant yesterday, but remember that he still made a bunch of accelerations in that group behind, but Vinge obviously blew himself up in the bottom half.

They both did well for RBH but Roglic showed reslience from whatever afflicted him yesterday. I think the heat got to him like everyone else and he conceded the reality to fight another day. The TT today showed that.
Jonas was perfectly within himself today. Tomorrow's JV strategy is the mystery. He has to watch the 4 riders behind him on GC and guess what could cause him more time loss. Guess wrong and stage 16-20 will be a very bad place to be in and it helps UAE to have some of those contenders closer to Jonas to force the issue.

 

[Red Rick]

They both did well for RBH but Roglic showed reslience from whatever afflicted him yesterday. I think the heat got to him like everyone else and he conceded the reality to fight another day. The TT today showed that.
Jonas was perfectly within himself today. Tomorrow's JV strategy is the mystery. He has to watch the 4 riders behind him on GC and guess what could cause him more time loss. Guess wrong and stage 16-20 will be a very bad place to be in and it helps UAE to have some of those contenders closer to Jonas to force the issue.

Vingegaard has to watch riders behind him? Why. He will delete those guys 4 more times over.

 

[Oldman]

Vingegaard has to watch riders behind him? Why. He will delete those guys 4 more times over.

Why? I'm talking escapees from the GC battle that don't matter to Tadej. Vingo can't afford to give 2 minute gaps to those guys and attempt to retrieve them. He's going to have to choose those efforts if he wants to save 2nd place. If it's all about the top step; then it's the same game that got him here.

 

[E_F_]

He should attempt to attack Pogacar on Tourmalet tomorrow (as well Aspin and Peyresourde). Also Glandon and Madeleine on stage 18, and Pre on stage 19. If we look at when Vingegaard has ever bested Pogacar it's been on stages with long range action. Pogacar takes an MTF from the peloton every single time.

 

[Fos]

He should attempt to attack Pogacar on Tourmalet tomorrow (as well Aspin and Peyresourde). Also Glandon and Madeleine on stage 18, and Pre on stage 19. If we look at when Vingegaard has ever bested Pogacar it's been on stages with long range action. Pogacar takes an MTF from the peloton every single time.

Well, last time was Cauterets...

 

[Gigs_98]

Am I the only one who finds it a little absurd that after one day of blowing himself up and only being slightly ahead of the mortals, losing 40 seconds on a 10km MTT is seen as a big success? Nobody could seriously watch yesterday and come to the conclusion that he is on par with Lipowitz now

 

[Red Rick]

Am I the only one who finds it a little absurd that after one day of blowing himself up and only being slightly ahead of the mortals, losing 40 seconds on a 10km MTT is seen as a big success? Nobody could seriously watch yesterday and come to the conclusion that he is on par with Lipowitz now

No, you're not the only one. There's just no real excitement about it because of the gap to Pogacar still being very big.

May be the first time I remember two big rivals in cycling have near identical performance gaps in 2 consecutive years.

 

[E_F_]

Well, last time was Cauterets...

Le Lioran?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

No, you're not the only one. There's just no real excitement about it because of the gap to Pogacar still being very big.

May be the first time I remember two big rivals in cycling have near identical performance gaps in 2 consecutive years.

Still a long way to go to Paris. And in 2023, Jonas was exceptionally strong in the 3rd week.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Still a long way to go to Paris. And in 2023, Jonas was exceptionally strong in the 3rd week.

Pogacar was quite strong in th 3rd week of 24' though. Arguably stronger than Vingegaard 23'

 

[Cookster15]

Just read the below in the race thread because Jonas didn't finish far ahead of Lipowitz and Gall today that he is far below his best? I think we are uderestimating Lipotitz and Gall but if this is true then what explains his lower level as this year he didn't have to recover from a big crash and injuries?

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prime Vingegaard shouldn't be finishing only 10-15 seconds on a stage like this ahead of guys like Gall or Lipowitz who , with all due respect , they're not top tier GC riders . So that tells me Vingo isn't even close to his best days during this TDF

 

[Lorzenz08]

Just read the below in the race thread because Jonas didn't finish far ahead of Lipowitz and Gall today that he is far below his best? I think we are uderestimating Lipotitz and Gall but if this is true then what explains his lower level as this year he didn't have to recover from a big crash and injuries?

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Maybe they pushed him too much in training ? He said multiple times in interviews this winter that even if he didn't crash in 2024 it would still have been hard to beat Pogi.
So I'm thinking the pressure to raise his level beyond ever might have led to overtraining

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just read the below in the race thread because Jonas didn't finish far ahead of Lipowitz and Gall today that he is far below his best? I think we are uderestimating Lipotitz and Gall but if this is true then what explains his lower level as this year he didn't have to recover from a big crash and injuries?

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Today he wasn't going full gas after his attack IMHO. He lacks confidence to go crazy against Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe they pushed him too much in training ? He said multiple times in interviews this winter that even if he didn't crash in 2024 it would still have been hard to beat Pogi.
So I'm thinking the pressure to raise his level beyond ever might have led to overtraining

Sometimes I feel he doesn't like to be a professional cyclist anymore.

 

[veganrob]

Maybe they pushed him too much in training ? He said multiple times in interviews this winter that even if he didn't crash in 2024 it would still have been hard to beat Pogi.
So I'm thinking the pressure to raise his level beyond ever might have led to overtraining

This I completely agree with

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Maybe they pushed him too much in training ? He said multiple times in interviews this winter that even if he didn't crash in 2024 it would still have been hard to beat Pogi.
So I'm thinking the pressure to raise his level beyond ever might have led to overtraining

Yeah, I think this is a good observation.