Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[velaso montador]

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Dont fool yourself Vingegaard never has been close to Pogacar thats just obvious for everyone just let it be. If your in doubt ask what jumbo says themself. He can beat him if he is not 100% thats kudos just chill.

I would be more worried about Evenpoel if I was Vingegaard. Vingegaard is far closer to Evenpoel than he is Pogacar just the reality off it..

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Dont fool yourself Vingegaard never has been close to Pogacar thats just obvious for everyone just let it be. If your in doubt ask what jumbo says themself. He can beat him if he is not 100% thats kudos just chill.

I would be more worried about Evenpoel if I was Vingegaard. Vingegaard is far closer to Evenpoel than he is Pogacar just the reality off it..

Then how did Jonas win in 2022? On peak form they are dang close.

 

[velaso montador]

Then how did Jonas win in 2022? On peak form they are dang close.

dude its not hard this...Vingegaard is a great rider never said anything else hes a 2 time tdf winner ofc hes good!

Google it listen to what jumbo guys said themself why he won, they say cause pogacar beat himself duo to the team. He went crazy after Roglic which was their leader and burned way to many matches, vingegaard wasnt even their leader and Pog focus to begin with that beeing said Vingegaard deserves creds hes obviously beyond a doubt a GREAT RIDER never said anything else. Pog also rode like a JR and deserved to loose but it wasnt on pure strenght... ...you know this. If you dont like when i say it just listen to them say it jesus this isnt hard to figure out dude

On peak form they are not very close at all never has been but Vingegaard is per now the closest when Pogacar is not peak form he can win cause he is that great thats just the botton line facts wether or not you like it or not.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

dude its not hard this...Vingegaard is a great rider never said anything else hes a 2 time tdf winner ofc hes good!

Google it listen to what jumbo guys said themself why he won, they say cause pogacar beat himself duo to the team. He went crazy after Roglic which was their leader and burned way to many matches, vingegaard wasnt even their leader and Pog focus to begin with that beeing said Vingegaard deserves creds hes obviously beyond a doubt a GREAT RIDER never said anything else. Pog also rode like a JR and deserved to loose but it wasnt on pure strenght... ...you know this. If you dont like when i say it just listen to them say it jesus this isnt hard to figure out dude

On peak form they are not very close at all never has been but Vingegaard is per now the closest when Pogacar is not peak form he can win cause he is that great thats just the botton line facts wether or not you like it or not.

You say he is a great rider, but then bash him for beating Pogi on peak form. Bottom line facts show he has beaten him before on peak form.

 

[kingjr]

I don't know about comparing one of the most clever and versatile GC guy of the past 15 years to a robot like Vingegaard? you can't win Milano-San Remo with watts only

sorry for the OT

I think Vingegaard is a smart guy with smart people around him, and he is certainly sufficiently versatile for MSR.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think Vingegaard is a smart guy with smart people around him, and he is certainly sufficiently versatile for MSR.

Maybe he would able to make the final once in a while, but it would be very, very hard for him to win it.

 

[velaso montador]

You say he is a great rider, but then bash him for beating Pogi on peak form. Bottom line facts show he has beaten him before on peak form.

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He has won vs a pog who had a broken wrist during the tour (apperently for you that means peak pog) then its no point im sure you get that.... No point. Gl

 

[kingjr]

Maybe he would able to make the final once in a while, but it would be very, very hard for him to win it.

Yes, but MSR is notoriously hard to win, Sagan and Pogacar being two cases in point.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Then how did Jonas win in 2022? On peak form they are dang close.

About a minute apart, if Plateau de Beille is any indication. Given that 1) both smashed Pantani's record, and 2) both said they did their best rides ever, I'd say it is.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Yes, but MSR is notoriously hard to win, Sagan and Pogacar being two cases in point.

It sounded like you reckoned it would be as easy for him as anyone else. So far he hasn't been at his very best in the classics that suit him, so expecting him to do well in one that doesn't, seems a tad optimistic to me.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

If you cant be objective or even talk about facts which are simple instead of finding your own narrative its no point. All the best

He has won vs a pog who had a broken wrist during the tour (apperently for you that means peak pog) then its no point im sure you get that.... No point. Gl

2022? Objectively last year Tadej was close until he died in the heat.

 

[kingjr]

It sounded like you reckoned it would be as easy for him as anyone else. So far he hasn't been at his very best in the classics that suit him, so expecting him to do well in one that doesn't, seems a tad optimistic to meet.

My original response, in a different thread, was to a post stating that Vingegaard probably cannot excel at monuments. I named MSR, LBL and Lombardia as winnable for him.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

My original response, in a different thread, was to a post stating that Vingegaard probably cannot excel at monuments. I named MSR, LBL and Lombardia as winnable for him.

But what makes you think he has a chance in MSR?

 

[velaso montador]

2022? Objectively last year Tadej was close until he died in the heat.

he was close cause he is tadej he rode with a broken wrist and when you say thats peak pogacar thats just not objective of far from reality im sorry my friend. Vingegaard beats carlos rodriques same amount this year like last year if not evne more this year the only outliner is pogacar isnt hurt.

When you say he is peak 2023 and expect me to take your serious thats just cmon now...be real atleast. A great rider always has been but time for a few vingegaard fans to sum it up what it only really is aswell.

1 win vs pog when he had broken wrist..
1 win when yeah you know that too...

I dont make it up it is what it is ...if he was somewhat close if not 2021. PN , this year whatever it might be entertaining but he has never been close to that and now also the numbers which tell us he did his best ride ever on stage 15 it just does again wether or not you liike it but guess what it wasnt close to pogacar still evne tho it was his best ride ever. I dont know what more to tell you if you still dont get it.

All the best take care

 

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[RedheadDane]

Here's a bit of a... well... "fun fact" would probably be the wrong term. Dramatic fact:

You know how Valgren has called him his "protege", and the two have several things in common?

Here's something else they have in common:

Near-fatal crashes while their respective wives were pregnant with child number 2. Though, in Valgren's case, his wife was much closer to giving birth.

Frida better not be hit by a car, and break her leg!

 

[kingjr]

But what makes you think he has a chance in MSR?

I believe he is capable of arriving at the top of the Poggio with the strongest. After that, you need a bit of luck, of course. But he would be hard to catch if he managed to get away "op kousenvoeten" somewhere.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Here's a bit of a... well... "fun fact" would probably be the wrong term. Dramatic fact:

You know how Valgren has called him his "protege", and the two have several things in common?

Here's something else they have in common:

Near-fatal crashes while their respective wives were pregnant with child number 2. Though, in Valgren's case, his wife was much closer to giving birth.

Frida better not be hit by a car, and break her leg!

It wouldn't matter if she broke her leg. Pogačar would still be stronger than her.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

he was close cause he is tadej he rode with a broken wrist and when you say thats peak pogacar thats just not objective of far from reality im sorry my friend. Vingegaard beats carlos rodriques same amount this year like last year if not evne more this year the only outliner is pogacar isnt hurt.

When you say he is peak 2023 and expect me to take your serious thats just cmon now...be real atleast. A great rider always has been but time for a few vingegaard fans to sum it up what it only really is aswell.

1 win vs pog when he had broken wrist..
1 win when yeah you know that too...

I dont make it up it is what it is ...if he was somewhat close if not 2021. PN , this year whatever it might be entertaining but he has never been close to that and now also the numbers which tell us he did his best ride ever on stage 15 it just does again wether or not you liike it but guess what it wasnt close to pogacar still evne tho it was his best ride ever. I dont know what more to tell you if you still dont get it.

All the best take care

Still did not answer my question about 2022 but whatever. I still strongly think Vingegaard could heat Pogi on peak form if he’s on peak form so agree to disagree.

 

[velaso montador]

Still did not answer my question about 2022 but whatever. I still strongly think Vingegaard could heat Pogi on peak form if he’s on peak form so agree to disagree.

i said see what jumbo themself said about 2022 and stop drawing your own narratives...this stuff isnt hard.

Well if you think that based on what we know thats magical thinking at best. Not based on any reliably facts at all nvm numbers which you also ignore. How convienient hehe. Nvm its fine dude doesnt matter. Think what you want.

 

[RedheadDane]

It wouldn't matter if she broke her leg. Pogačar would still be stronger than her.

She's not racing against Pogacar.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I believe he is capable of arriving at the top of the Poggio with the strongest. After that, you need a bit of luck, of course. But he would be hard to catch if he managed to get away "op kousenvoeten" somewhere.

Until he decides to give it a try, if he ever does, I will continue to doubt he has much chance there. The Ardennes and Lombardia, maybe even RVV, should be something he targets, as long as he's on his current level, cause one day it might be too late.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Imho what he is doing is simply disgusting. Go congratulate Pog, share a few thought after the stage and then, by all means, go cry in your wife's lap (nothing wrong with that). But at the line... Come on...

Tell me you've never seriously competed in sports without telling you've never seriously competed in sports.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Jonas says it's over. He did well for 2 1/2 weeks, but there's nothing left now, and he hopes to hang on to second place.

Jonas Vingegaard reconnaît la supériorité de Tadej Pogacar : « La lutte pour la victoire est terminée » (Tour de France)

Parti vendredi matin avec l'espoir de tout renverser, Jonas Vingegaard (Visma-Lease a bike) a vite compris qu'il n'aurait pas les jambes pour renverser Tadej Pogacar. Le Danois va désormais se concentrer sur la 2e place, qu'il va défendre face à Remco Evenepoel.

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[Salvarani]

Imho what he is doing is simply disgusting. Go congratulate Pog, share a few thought after the stage and then, by all means, go cry in your wife's lap (nothing wrong with that). But at the line... Come on...

To put it like this... he sure knows where the cameras are.