Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Ilmaestro99]

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[xo 1]

Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

 

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Make sense, he is not the type of rider that do Giro-Tour double after have lost the Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.

Do you really think it would have been a better with race with Dani, Geraint and Ben fighting it out? I certainly wouldn't. And just because Jonas decides to show up doesnt necessarily mean that Pog won't. Or Remco or Roglic for that matter.

 

[Valv.Piti]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

2023 was the worst Giro in existance (at least as since 2006-2007 when I started following the race). Pathetic race!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

The 2023 giro was 11 days of the most exciting riders in the race crashing and abandoning, and 10 days of almida, Thomas, Roglic waiting for the final times trial, where Roglic did the best time and won the giro.

It was a really bad edition

2021 was pretty good in my opinion

 

[tobydawq]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

Wut???

 

[tobydawq]

2021 was pretty good in my opinion

Yeah, it bears no comparison with 2022 and 2023. But the fact that we didn't get to see Bernal's attack and raid on Giau probably somehow influences the conception of the race.

 

[proffate]

IMHO this won't end the way it did for Pog. Jonas is a more fragile rider than Pogacar. Jonas is amazing but tends to peak for specific events and then not be so stellar.

I think he is already going to have a fight on his hands for the tour, and going to the giro puts that in jeopardy.

Based on this year he doesn't need to train at all to win the giro (if Pog isn't there). Like literally just lay in bed till mid April. The giro itself should be fine base training with a handful of vo2 intervals and then he'll be ready for the le tour.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

You can go back to the voting threads at the time to see what the forum thinks of both Giri. Spoiler alert: especially for the 2023 race, you're in a very small minority.

Do you really think it would have been a better with race with Dani, Geraint and Ben fighting it out? I certainly wouldn't. And just because Jonas decides to show up doesnt necessarily mean that Pog won't. Or Remco or Roglic for that matter.

An uninspiring set of GC riders isn't a 100% guarantee of a boring GC battle. The winner being four levels above everyone else is.

 

[Netserk]

I won't believe it until it's confirmed, and I hope it won't be confirmed.

 

[Netserk]

So should we kill them?

I don't think I'm allowed to answer that question.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So should we kill them?

 

[AmRacer]

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[tobydawq]

It just comes down to people thinking Pogacar and Vingegaard doing 1km mountain sprints is the epicest thing ever but when others do it it's a disgrace.

Yes, because that's what they do

 

[SafeBet]

Make sense, he is not the type of rider that do Giro-Tour double after have lost the Tour.

Isn't this exactly what happened last year when Pog was rumored to ride the Giro and everybody was quick to say it wouldn't happen... Only for Pog to be confirmed later?

Sounds like Vegni is cooking and Visma is negotiating a fee.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Vegni is handling out big $ every year is so pathetic. Just make a great race again and use your ressources on that instead you fool

 

[proffate]

Vegni is handling out big $ every year is so pathetic. Just make a great race again and use your ressources on that instead you fool

Is the tdf better than the giro because of the route or the riders who participate?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Is the tdf better than the giro because of the route or the riders who participate?

Touché

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vegni invested a lot in Pogacar because he would bring a lot of revenue. Who the fu## would want to see Geraint fuc#ing Thomas against Dani Martinez, O'Connor and Tiberi?

 

[AmRacer]

You voluntarily watched that this spring, there was just this dude 5 minutes ahead every time, which I guess was that much more exciting.

People love watching aliens do alien things.

 

[tobydawq]

Vegni invested a lot in Pogacar because he would bring a lot of revenue. Who the fu## would want to see Geraint fuc#ing Thomas against Dani Martinez, O'Connor and Tiberi?

As if that would have been the field without Pog there...

 

[Peyroteo94]

As if that would have been the field without Pog there...

You don't know.

 

[proffate]

As if that would have been the field without Pog there...

Who do you think Pog scared off, and what did they race instead?

The sad fact is that there is only one rider who can challenge Pog and we only get to see them square off once per year. This is Ving's fault mostly (if you want to point fingers) because he has a lighter calendar. Well maybe that barrel shaped triathlete will save us from boredom in 2029 or whatever.

 

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I could see race organizers leaking something that never happened to create pressure onto Vingo. He's a one trick pony July racer, but cash and prospect of a giro title might at least interest him. I doubt it, though. His best chance at anything and everything possible is in July.