Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

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BroDeal

BroDeal

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pmcg76 said:
I think that response just about sums up the level of clinic thinking these days.

It's amazing how most of the current regulars even manage to lift their knuckles off the ground to pound on the keyboard.
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Shouldn't you be posting at Bike *** or somewhere else that Sky true believers congregate? Funny how people people who did not have a problem with Armstrong being pursued are now so uptight when it is their ox getting gored.

So, since you are so enlightened and have all the answers, what is the explanation for Andy going from one of the world's top stage racers to a rider who can barely finish a race?
 
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Dazed and Confused

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pmcg76 said:
I think that response just about sums up the level of clinic thinking these days.

It's amazing how most of the current regulars even manage to lift their knuckles off the ground to pound on the keyboard.
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We are back in school, I see.

The biggest cash incentive comes at the end of contract. Its not difficult to understand.

As for Schleck, well his entire team was under scrutiny and lets face it: Andy isn't particularly brave is he?

Wiggins main task was to perform during the Olympic year. He succeeded, but Froome responded better to Dr Leinders cocktail. So what do you do moving forward?
 
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Umm, how is it irrational to bank years on a large contract?

Sure the risk isn't huge, but it's still there. It's far from unusual to become more risk averse as there is more to lose, especially when you can do it in a way which doesn't really jeopardise future earnings. If you're on 50k a year and may not even have a contract next season you would tolerate far higher levels of risk.

If you've just won everything in a season, and have three years at 3mil+ locked in regardless of performance, it makes complete sense to go quiet for the first year or two and return to peak in time to negotiate the next contact. Granted you probably couldn't pull it off more than once, so even if Gilbert has a 2011 season next year, he's not going to get the same deal. Teams would also be inclined to link part of the contract to performance.

As an athlete continues to rack up achievements their legacy and post-career future become more influential. Being suspended at 35 isn't a huge thing as your time is numbered by then anyway, but if you're a big name you've lost all the decades ahead in which you could have milked your success (plus the greater emotional burden). So for Schleck, Evans, Wiggins, being a "Tour de France Winner" may have changed their outlook - not that the issues those three have faced could be down to (not) doping alone.

Contador is interesting as he probably has 5-6 good years left in him, two contracts after this one, ~15mil total. If he got done now then it's all over, so it again makes perfect sense to take a more steady approach for now if that's indeed what has happened. You have to be pretty fanatical to go for it year after year. It defined Armstrong. Contador had it but may never regain it. Nibali 2.0 seems to have found it. Froome has it if his talk of Tour domination is honest. Others seem to be susceptible to the emotional burden of it all (it's not just a simple financial decision). As such, I expect Andy to return in 2014 or 2015, but have doubts as to it being sustained for years. Frank seems more robust and able to instil confidence in the younger.
 
Fearless Greg Lemond

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BroDeal said:
So, since you are so enlightened and have all the answers, what is the explanation for Andy going from one of the world's top stage racers to a rider who can barely finish a race?
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More interestingly would be why the foolproof ABP hasnt been able to flag former - suspected - blooddopers who are clearly underperforming nowadays.
 
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pmcg76

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BroDeal said:
Shouldn't you be posting at Bike *** or somewhere else that Sky true believers congregate? Funny how people people who did not have a problem with Armstrong being pursued are now so uptight when it is their ox getting gored.

So, since you are so enlightened and have all the answers, what is the explanation for Andy going from one of the world's top stage racers to a rider who can barely finish a race?
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The fact that you think I am a SKY fan shows little how little you actually know. Don't think I have ever uttered a word in defense of SKY on this forum....ever. As I said a reflection of the standard of posting on here at the moment when the automatic default position is to label someone as a SKY bot without any clue whatsoever.

Also I think you will find that I a not the one who claims there is little risk of testing positive thus no real deterrent to doping. Why would I have to explain something that I don't agree with.

To argue that there is little risk of testing positive and then at the same time claim people are backing off because they are scared of testing positive makes zero sense, whether they are on a fat contract or not.
 
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pmcg76 said:
The fact that you think I am a SKY fan shows little how little you actually know. Don't think I have ever uttered a word in defense of SKY on this forum....ever. As I said a reflection of the standard of posting on here at the moment when the automatic default position is to label someone as a SKY bot without any clue whatsoever.
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Good thing that you are around then, with comments such as:

pmcg76 said:
I think that response just about sums up the level of clinic thinking these days.

It's amazing how most of the current regulars even manage to lift their knuckles off the ground to pound on the keyboard.
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Really raising the standard :rolleyes:
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
The topic here is Tiernan-Locke. Stay on topic.

Further off-topic postings will be deleted and warnings given.
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he is hyphenated. Ofcourse the UCI are gonna struggle with his bio-passport. They could never organise a root in a *****house those Aigle cadre. Or is that argyle cadre? wtf?
 
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It was JTL's team (Rapha Condor Sharp) who reported Staite's suspicious performance.

JRanton said:
Interesting, thanks. Did you race against JTL? There must be some posters on here who did I imagine. It's a shame nobody tipped off UKAD like they did with Staite, or maybe someone did and he slipped the net?
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kingsouth said:
It was JTL's team (Rapha Condor Sharp) who reported Staite's suspicious performance.
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Staite was a rank amateur who suddenly started beating pros and semi pros - domestically in th UK, bit different to JTL.
 
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gillan1969 said:
eh.....yip...JTL was a rank 'amateur' who started beating pros and finished in the front group at worlds.....

your point?
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I might be wrong but I thought Staite raced pretty much as individual (not a sponsored team like JTL) and had a regular job.
 
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nevada said:
no it wasnt. Try Papp.
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Thinking back, I think it was a just a rumour that the Rapha had something to with Staite's testing. I seem to recall that Staite stopped racing after being tested after a race and people guessed why.
 
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thehog said:
You have to forgive Brailsford. He was so used to groupetto riders becoming GT contenders, hiring JTL was a a fairly straightforward proposition.
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Even towards the end of last season Brailsford must of had some faith in JTL. He went to the Canadian races with Froome as part the GB team worlds build up. Interestingly, he looked to be going OK in Canada, not on 2012 form, but solid rides.
 
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kingsouth said:
Even towards the end of last season Brailsford must of had some faith in JTL. He went to the Canadian races with Froome as part the GB team worlds build up. Interestingly, he looked to be going OK in Canada, not on 2012 form, but solid rides.
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Brailsford hired him against advise from others at the team so he needed to save face somehow. Didn't quite work out that way though, should have let Garmin sign him.
 
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kingsouth said:
Who at sky advised against signing him? I agree that he should have gone to Garmin.
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It would've been strange-funny if Garmin would have signed him up, though there's no telling what would have happened to JTL career then.

I remember a post from JV where he stated that any DS worth his salt can spot a doped-up donkey turned into race horse from a mile away :rolleyes:

And later with that half a million figure to make sure his riders don't dope......
 
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