Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[Afrank]

Stop it all of you and get back on topic.

Either respond with a reasonable counter explanation to other posters posts, or don't respond at all.

 

[Knutsen]

He was training with them, had a letter of intent and was using a Sky power meter and wheel set.

There is also a rumor that he watched Sky Channel. But I don't believe that.

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Sha...than-Tiernan/story-21666800-detail/story.html

I guess we wont get an admission any time soon.

“He was tested every single day at the Tour of Britain and he has never once failed a test,” Caroline added.

“This is not so. In reality, there is no new evidence and all that remains is the anomaly.

“In a court of law, this would not stand as the burden of proof is not there. There is no proof. He is a clean rider.”

"They can take away his titles but they can’t take away his talent and determination and we know that eventually, Jonathan will rebuild his life with the people that matter.”

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Caroline told The Herald that in the past week numerous other cyclists had contacted her about similar anomalies in their blood values claiming they’ve changed due to illness, fatigue, altitude training, and other environmental factors.
Read more at http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Sha...1666800-detail/story.html#JxfiAyMHHOb0mMRE.99

The way this is worded, makes it sound like the riders contacted her about JTL's anomalies, which were publicly known.

But no details about the anomalies have been released, so how the heck do these randoms know that they experienced the same thing?

And LOL at not knowing the process, which is to note illness, fatigue and altitude training etc on the form used to collect data about the sample, for use later, when analysing the results. The other riders are not the only ones who know parameters change due to those factors.

 

[Benotti69]

The way this is worded, makes it sound like the riders contacted her about JTL's anomalies, which were publicly known.

But no details about the anomalies have been released, so how the heck do these randoms know that they experienced the same thing?

And LOL at not knowing the process, which is to note illness, fatigue and altitude training etc on the form used to collect data about the sample, for use later, when analysing the results. The other riders are not the only ones who know parameters change due to those factors.

Wonder are the doctors on teams manufacturing notes for ABP irregularities for alleged illness, fatigue, altitude training.......

 

[zigmeister]

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Sha...than-Tiernan/story-21666800-detail/story.html

I guess we wont get an admission any time soon.

Admission of what? A bunch of "experts" in charge of reviewing some blood data have come to some magical determination that he doped. Yet, they have no idea as to what has been the actual cause of data values?

I assume the experts were the same guys who were reviewing the TUEs like Froome right?

Makes sense..of course.

Nobody know whether the guy doped or not, but apparently it has become the perfect system, which in the background the UCI quietly uses to ban guys without knowledge of anybody until a year or so later when they finally let the public know by releasing a basic press release, then run back into hiding.

 

[thehog]

The way this is worded, makes it sound like the riders contacted her about JTL's anomalies, which were publicly known.

But no details about the anomalies have been released, so how the heck do these randoms know that they experienced the same thing?

And LOL at not knowing the process, which is to note illness, fatigue and altitude training etc on the form used to collect data about the sample, for use later, when analysing the results. The other riders are not the only ones who know parameters change due to those factors.

What's she's actually saying is others have been in contact who've also received a letter. All were able to explain it away in a straight forward manner. JTL different.

 

[SundayRider]

What's she's actually saying is others have been in contact who've also received a letter. All were able to explain it away in a straight forward manner. JTL different.

He has obviously tried the illness/altitude/heavy training load explanations.

 

[TheSpud]

Am I wasting my time asking for a link?

So did we establish whether Sky paid for JTLs defence or not?

 

[ebandit]

bus

consensus was that team sky threw JTL under the bus

Mark L

 

[thehog]

BC and Sky are the same thing.

Considering the "British Cycling" logo is very prominent on the Team Sky website, I'd also say Sky/BC are one of the same.

 

[TheSpud]

Considering the "British Cycling" logo is very prominent on the Team Sky website, I'd also say Sky/BC are one of the same.

Are you going to post the link that shows Sky paid for JTLs defence?

 

[ebandit]

..............so?

Considering the "British Cycling" logo is very prominent on the Team Sky website, I'd also say Sky/BC are one of the same.

....................so any BC rider showing good form could be considered for a vuelta start with team sky?

in his younger years how involved was JTL with BC................I only recall him riding as a 'pro' in those worlds?

Mark L

 

[buckle]

"1AngryJanner | July 21 2014, 9:25AM
Given what the sister insists is true, why does he not simply enter a claim for unfair dismissal from Team Sky? Surely any anomalous evidence would have to be justified publicly and so his innocence would become clear?!"

It's a fair point.

Perhaps this is all a warning from BC who has told DB that he wants a knighthood too and if the latter wants to hang on to his then he better cut back on the juice. DB has complied but asked, "Can I continue if I agree to juice a frog?"

JTL is finished in the meantime.

 

[Benotti69]

I guess JTL got some pay to cover his contract, Sky are loaded.

But why would he rake action against Sky unless he is finished with the sport as no other team will hire him and take on a guy who might take a similar action against them.

Better for JTL to sit out his ban, train hard, and go ride for a pro conti team and hope for 1 final roll of the dice in a WT team (Garmin like ex dopers )

I hope he does a Landis.......

 

[thehog]

I guess JTL got some pay to cover his contract, Sky are loaded.

But why would he rake action against Sky unless he is finished with the sport as no other team will hire him and take on a guy who might take a similar action against them.

Better for JTL to sit out his ban, train hard, and go ride for a pro conti team and hope for 1 final roll of the dice in a WT team (Garmin like ex dopers )

I hope he does a Landis.......

He was still employed thus payed until the actual decision by the UCI. Sky prepared his defense.

Unfair dismissal is a long shot considering there is an "official" sanction in place and the employment contract would state termination upon suspension.

He will appeal of his own accord as using Sky's lawyers meant they were looking after their interests and not his.

Hopefully with a CAS appeal the details will reach the public domain.

But back to the bike shop for JTL.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Decision handed down:
http://t.co/HiKAtRkJLY

2 years from 1 Jan 2014

JTL claims he was ****ed. (drunk)

6. The explanation put forward by Mr. Tiernan-Locke is that on the evening of 20 September 2012, approximately 32 hours before the sample was taken on 22 September, he went on an alcoholic binge. He then did not eat or drink on the following day, save for a few sips of water when he took painkillers. It is argued that this exceptional and extreme intake of alcohol, followed by a period of severe dehydration, had had the effect, by the time the sample was taken on the morning of 22 September, both of decreasing the volume of plasma in his blood and hence the concentration of Hb, and inhibiting the release of reticulocytes from the bone marrow into his blood, thus causing a substantial decrease in the measured level of reticulocytes in the blood.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

17.9 g/dL Hgb if following the rule of thirds netts you Hct of 53.7% - with a retics of 0.15%.



Good thing they took 4 more readings in the ensuing 12 months to make sure that first reading was legit or not.

 

[jens_attacks]

hemoglobin 18(so hematocrit around 55) and retics 0.15
well JTL y u so reckless? too easy to be caught with this.

anyway, the legend knows to party, in nightclubs but on a bike too

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

33 units of alcohol 3 nights before 260km World Championship Road Race. Finish in 19th place and leading British rider.

Now that's a taper.

 

[hrotha]

Sad thing is it paid off anyway, even overdoing it so blatantly. He was a nobody before and he got his time on the spotlight. Depending on how much money he burned on his defense, chances are a rider in his same situation would still come out on top financially.

 

[thrawn]

33 units of alcohol 3 nights before 260km World Championship Road Race. Finish in 19th place and leading British rider.

Now that's a taper.

Didn't eat or drink the following day either. What a talent!

 

[the sceptic]

Well at least hog was right that JTL was juiced to the eyeballs for the world champs.

and also I wonder what his hematocrit was in those earlier races

 

[LittleJo]

17.9 g/dL Hgb if following the rule of thirds netts you Hct of 53.7% - with a retics of 0.15%.



Good thing they took 4 more readings in the ensuing 12 months to make sure that first reading was legit or not.

This is probably a really stupid question, so apologies for that, but would they not have done haematocrit tests during the Tour of Britain anyway? Why didn't this show up there?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

This is probably a really stupid question, so apologies for that, but would they not have done haematocrit tests during the Tour of Britain anyway? Why didn't this show up there?

Because taking blood for dope test purposes is relatively rare. Urine tests are far more common. He gave 3 urine samples during TOB.