Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[SundayRider]

How different are JTL's standout performances from Sayar's? Is it a valid comparison?

One is vilified on Twitter, and one is encouraged and employed by the number one team in the world.

Bizarre.

They used the 'he had a virus so never reached his true level when he was younger, late developer' reason.

 

[SundayRider]

Kid musta looked great on the graph.

Shame he doped to get the shot at the big time. Maybe he assumed everyone else was at it and he'd get professional preparation, maybe he thought he'd enough natural talent to compete at that level - just needed a bit of help to get there and he'd quit when he got the contract, maybe he's a cynical ******* and done the maths. Either way I hope someone is looking after him.

I doubt he will have to pay back that approx 600K he earned whilst at Sky. I'm sure he will get a job in a local bike shop, wasn't that what he was doing before riding pro.

 

[thehog]

We know he underwent testing / training, but we don't know that he knew he would be blood tested (not in a big way, eg ABP type). As has been said, Sky hadn't done any ABP type testing themselves - they relied on Garmin's ones.

As an ...fyi... there’s no such thing as a “ABP blood test”. A blood test is a blood test. Lactate only draws a small pin *** amount to test the amounts of lactic. As it’s done frequently the idea is not to draw too much blood to impact performance. When an actual blood draw is taken it’s up to the team/doctor etc. to decided what parameters the blood is tested for. Similar to your Doctor who will draw blood and then request the blood to be analysed for specific parameters based on your condition.

ABP refers to “athletes bio passport” and is based on a set criteria of parameters that are tested in the blood. They specially selected parameters which are not hugely impacted by athletic performance but additionally they had to have the range on those parameters wide enough to account for the possible “natural” or “legal” variables.

Assuming Garmin did an actual blood draw it would be up to them to decide what the blood is tested for and could make their own conclusions on what they saw without being concerned is for basis of anti-doping. Again you’d still need 4-5 blood draws over a period of time to make any type of reasonable conclusions. One is not enough.

Sky would have had enough data with the multiple power readings and lacate tests. You get a very clear understanding from this what an athlete is capable of.

For JTL, Kerrison based on the numbers he saw wanted him to be GT rider and not a one day rider and changed his program to match that decision. Go figure that one out.

 

[roundabout]

Fresh from the Herald

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/EXC...afford-clear/story-22783784-detail/story.html

 

[del1962]

Fresh from the Herald

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/EXC...afford-clear/story-22783784-detail/story.html

No appeal, no confession and sounds like he has no desire to return to pro cycling.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No appeal, no confession and sounds like he has no desire to return to pro cycling.

oh he will be back no doubt.

 

[the sceptic]

Fresh from the Herald

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/EXC...afford-clear/story-22783784-detail/story.html

What a hillariously biased article.

If I was him I would come clean and write a book. Thats probably better than being homeless or whatever he plans on doing the next 1.5 years.

 

[roundabout]

No appeal, no confession and sounds like he has no desire to return to pro cycling.

No defense, no dirt on anybody that is worth anything, no ability to be a reasonably well-paid pro without the dope.

Wonder how much money he managed to get out of his last contract

 

[thehog]

No defense, no dirt on anybody that is worth anything, no ability to be a reasonably well-paid pro without the dope.

Wonder how much money he managed to get out of his last contract

That was written by a lawyer. He's not actually talking to a reporter. Give it time for him to strew on it.

But he is right, an appeal is a lot of money. Its weighted against the athlete.

 

[del1962]

No defense, no dirt on anybody that is worth anything, no ability to be a reasonably well-paid pro without the dope.

Wonder how much money he managed to get out of his last contract

Pretty much an accurate summary.

 

[SundayRider]

What a hillariously biased article.

If I was him I would come clean and write a book. Thats probably better than being homeless or whatever he plans on doing the next 1.5 years.

He doesn't have the profile to write a book and make decent money out of it.

 

[themurph]

what makes it all the more bizarre as this guys actually got a brain , couple of degrees I believe

 

[thehog]

Pretty much an accurate summary.

Now long before he gets catagorised as a 'bitter and twisted ex-doper'?

You guys are too funny. Can't believe JTL was trying to drag down the ZTP of Sky

 

[thehog]

What a hillariously biased article.

If I was him I would come clean and write a book. Thats probably better than being homeless or whatever he plans on doing the next 1.5 years.

Fondo circuit. He won't be homeless. Already has a few job offers on the table. He only worked in a bike shop when he was studying. That was never his full time job.

 

[del1962]

Now long before he gets catagorised as a 'bitter and twisted ex-doper'?

You guys are too funny. Can't believe JTL was trying to drag down the ZTP of Sky

JTL doped, I haven't called him a bitter ex-doper and have no intention, I would like him to confess everything he knows to UKAD, who supplied him, who if anyone helped him etc.

When do you think he started doping?

 

[TailWindHome]

He doesn't have the profile to write a book and make decent money out of it.

If he has secrets to tell he'll make money out of the book and associated interviews.

If.

 

[fmk_RoI]

He doesn't have the profile to write a book and make decent money out of it.

Put a photo of him in a Sky jersey on the cover and I promise you, it would sell. The UK is going through a golden patch for cycling publishing and quite a few people would be willing to offer JTL a small advance.

 

[the sceptic]

If he has secrets to tell he'll make money out of the book and associated interviews.

If.

inside team sky: doping edition.

I think it could be a bestseller.

 

[TailWindHome]

inside team sky: doping edition.

I think it could be a bestseller.

I'm sure it would be. I'd buy it. Maybe read Hog's review first

Worse case is a book full of vague accusations that "they're all at it" nothing specific, nothing credible just innuendo.

You guys have been waiting for a disgruntled ex employee with nothing to lose to spill the beans. Silence now will speak volumes.

 

[mrhender]

inside team sky: doping edition.

I think it could be a bestseller.

I doubt we will see any of this...

Very few has succeded with this approach..
Furthermore he would have to be ready for a bunch of lawsuits from people with actual money in the bank..
If he was to write and publish a book with any revelations it would
be self-evident that he obtained some proof of the "facts" written about..

One thing is his testimony, another is technical evidence...
I don't think he is smart enough to have collected any of the sort...

No, going on a crusade would probably ruin his life and finances for as long as he lives...

Not even Rasmussen,Jachkse or Hamilton has "yet" brought Riis down..
To think that JTL could benefit from this is ludicrous.....

 

[the sceptic]

I'm sure it would be. I'd buy it. Maybe read Hog's review first

Worse case is a book full of vague accusations that "they're all at it" nothing specific, nothing credible just innuendo.

You guys have been waiting for a disgruntled ex employee with nothing to lose to spill the beans. Silence now will speak volumes.

speak volumes to what?

 

[thehog]

speak volumes to what?

Agreed. Can't people take time to asses their options? Decide what they might do with their life after a big decision went against them. That to me shows someone who's in control of what happens next.

I assume some are waiting for a Big Brother celebrity styled breakdown. Perhaps it says more to them than it does JTL.

 

[TailWindHome]

speak volumes to what?

The non involvement of British Cycling and Sky in this young man's doping.

He'd have to accept his own guilt first. That's never easy.


ETA - as Hog says it may take time.

 

[thehog]

The non involvement of British Cycling and Sky in this young man's doping.

He'd have to accept his own guilt first. That's never easy.


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But they were involved. Involved in his training, his condition, his performance, his health.

The issue is its BC/Sky who are sidestepping the issue of what they knew and didn't know. Brailsford still pretending its an "Endura problem".

 

[TailWindHome]

But they were involved. Involved in his training, his condition, his performance, his health.

The issue is its BC/Sky who are sidestepping the issue of what they knew and didn't know. Brailsford still pretending its an "Endura problem".

Let's wait to see what the young man has to say eh?

His is the truth to be told.