Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[thehog]

Let's wait to see what the young man has to say eh?

His is the truth to be told.

Well we know what Brailsford has said.

He [Tiernan-Locke] didn’t cheat with us, he cheated before he got here, but there is no place for cheats in our sport,” he continued.

Brailsford confirmed that Tiernan-Locke had attended one Team Sky training camp during the 2012 season prior to joining the team, saying: “he might have come to one training camp just so we could see him basically.”

However he refused to respond when one reporter suggested that Tiernan-Locke had been on several camps with Team Sky in 2012 prior to signing, turning away from journalists and walking onto the team bus.

Which is clearly not the truth. So, yes, we await to hear more down the line.

 

[SundayRider]

inside team sky: doping edition.

I think it could be a bestseller.

Thing is he was with the team for a small period of time. He could 'know' that Sky are doping but have very little proof. They could also be doping and JTL might not have known for sure or witnessed anything first hand. There is zero examples in cycling (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) of riders coming clean/admitting doping and naming names as soon as they are popped.

 

[hrotha]

Let's wait to see what the young man has to say eh?

His is the truth to be told.

What makes you think JTL will spill the beans anyway? Historically, tell-alls have been extremely rare.

 

[del1962]

Well we know what Brailsford has said.





Which is clearly not the truth. So, yes, we await to hear more down the line.

So theHog, I will ask you again, when do you think JTL started doping?

 

[kingsouth]

The majority here seem to be pointing fingers at Sky but this is Endura/personal doping. Sure he went to a training camp with sky, but do you realy believe they would dope a rider they had not yet signed.

The only reason I can see for contesting the findings was to drag out time until his contract was terminated. The blood profile is just to suspicious, surely he must of been advised that he had no defence?

 

[thehog]

So theHog, I will ask you again, when do you think JTL started doping?

I'm not sure the relevance of the question.

What we do know from fact is that JTL doped with the BC team under Brailsford at the Worlds and most likely at the Tour of Britain.

Do I take it you wish to argue with the facts?

 

[del1962]

I'm not sure the relevance of the question.

What we do know from fact is that JTL doped with the BC team under Brailsford at the Worlds and most likely at the Tour of Britain.

Do I take it you wish to argue with the facts?

You know the clinic doesnt always stick to the facts, its about opinions too.

I was actually interested in your opinion, Jorge Jaschke doped to win the Tour de Mediterrane, I wondered if you think it might also be the case with JTL

 

[Benotti69]

If JTL doped before Sky, why did Sky sign him and why did their testing not pick it up?

He spent a long enough time with Sky and Brailsford lying to the media really gives credibility to Sky's story of JTL doing it all at Endura?

 

[thehog]

You know the clinic doesnt always stick to the facts, its about opinions too.

I was actually interested in your opinion, Jorge Jaschke doped to win the Tour de Mediterrane, I wondered if you think it might also be the case with JTL

I have no idea what a rider from 2004 holds any bearing to a rider 8 year later.

What parallel are you trying to draw? That anyone who has ever won the Tour of Med is a doper?

Steve Cummings from the UK won the Tour of Med this year. On the basis hat you put forward then he is a doper as well?

Moncoutié won the race in 2011 and we've been told he's a doper so maybe you're right

 

[roundabout]

Yes, JTL doped at BC to a top-20 place in the WC and continued his doping to a bunch of DNFs next year.

 

[del1962]

If JTL doped before Sky, why did Sky sign him and why did their testing not pick it up?

He spent a long enough time with Sky and Brailsford lying to the media really gives credibility to Sky's story of JTL doing it all at Endura?

The UKAD report says he doped before signing for Sky

Do you think he was doped for the Tour of Med?

 

[hrotha]

There's people who think he was clean when he burst suddenly into the scene?

 

[DirtyWorks]

The majority here seem to be pointing fingers at Sky but this is Endura/personal doping. Sure he went to a training camp with sky, but do you realy believe they would dope a rider they had not yet signed.

Repeating this for the 100th time doesn't make it true.

We know Brailsford is being dishonest denying association with JTL.
We know JTL was spending all his time at Sky with an Endura contract.
We know JTL was doping and failed the IQ test.

I don't think anyone is making the claim Sky was running JTL's program. What reasonable people doubt is Brailsford's selection process and now thoroughly discredited claims of anti-doping integrity.

What are the details of JTL's doping and does BC/Sky staff fit into them? <shrug> Impossible to know one way or another unless JTL does a Landis.

 

[thehog]

The UKAD report says he doped before signing for Sky

He signed for Sky after ToB and before the Worlds.

He was found to have doped at the Worlds.

 

[del1962]

He signed for Sky after ToB and before the Worlds.

He was found to have doped at the Worlds.

I thought you wanted to stick to the facts, evidently not, you are wasting my time, goodnight,

 

[Parker]

He signed for Sky after ToB and before the Worlds.

He was found to have doped at the Worlds.

No, there's no suggestion he doped at the Worlds. According to the Expert Panel in the UKAD report he probably doped around the end of August. He was at an Endura training camp from 22 Aug-2 Sept. So either he doped at the camp or almost as soon as he returned.

I would advise you don't read the UKAD report though. Facts and expert opinions may cloud your opinions.

 

[gooner]

Yes, JTL doped at BC to a top-20 place in the WC and continued his doping to a bunch of DNFs next year.

There's people who think he was clean when he burst suddenly into the scene?

Yeah, to just ignore his wins in Haut Var, Med, and his performance in Murcia from where he came from, is plain intentional ignorance on the part of some.

He signed for Sky after ToB and before the Worlds.

He was found to have doped at the Worlds.

Do you think he doped in 2013 at Sky?

 

[thehog]

No, there's no suggestion he doped at the Worlds. According to the Expert Panel in the UKAD report he probably doped around the end of August. He was at an Endura training camp from 22 Aug-2 Sept. So either he doped at the camp or almost as soon as he returned.

I would advise you don't read the UKAD report though. Facts and expert opinions may cloud your opinions.

Good grief.

So when riders dope for one days races they only do it at the race?

They don't "prepare" prior?

His Worlds result was annulled because he doped for that race. Make sure you wash that fact down with water as you digest it

 

[Parker]

Good grief.

So when riders dope for one days races they only do it at the race?

They don't "prepare" prior?

His Worlds result was annulled because he doped for that race. Make sure you wash that fact down with water as you digest it

No, his Worlds result was annulled as he was still showing the effects of doping.

He doped to win the Tour of Britain and sew up his Sky contract. If he was intending to dope at the Worlds too then why did he go out drinking a few days before (again the report suggests that there is evidence that this actually happened).

 

[thehog]

No, his Worlds result was annulled as he was still showing the effects of doping.

He doped to win the Tour of Britain and sew up his Sky contract. If he was intending to dope at the Worlds too then why did he go out drinking a few days before (again the report suggests that there is evidence that this actually happened).

Showing the effects of doping with a 54% hemocrit?

He trained with Sky, prepared with Sky and raced for BC at the Worlds. He was found to be using performance enhancing products at the Worlds under BC. Had a blood test the best day and continued under Sky's management from that period onwards (no one battered an eyelid at Sky with his blood results).

Sorry. But he was doped with BC and prepared by them. No wonder Brialsford won't answer the question.

 

[Parker]

Showing the effects of doping with a 54% hemocrit?

He trained with Sky, prepared with Sky and raced for BC at the Worlds. He was found to be using performance enhancing products at the Worlds under BC. Had a blood test the best day and continued under Sky's management from that period onwards (no one battered an eyelid at Sky with his blood results).

Sorry. But he was doped with BC and prepared by them. No wonder Brialsford won't answer the question.

The 54% isn't anywhere in the report. What is your source for that? Is it a forum estimate based on some vague rule of thumb?

He trained with Sky once in April/May. Prior to that he scored 381 CQ ranking points in just two months. After he got only 210.

There is nothing to suggest that Sky or BC (or even Endura) had anything to with it.

And with that I will leave you to your distortion and desperation. But I'll leave you with this thought. If Sky/BC were doping him it shows that they were utterly incompetent with him getting caught within months with stupid ABP scores. Therefore, we must conclude that anyone achieving prior to that must have been clean.

 

[the sceptic]

Yeah, to just ignore his wins in Haut Var, Med, and his performance in Murcia from where he came from, is plain intentional ignorance on the part of some.



Do you think he doped in 2013 at Sky?

Thats funny, because i bet if someone told you JTL was doping back then you would deny it due to "no evidence", but now its suddenly "plain intentional ignorance"

 

[King Boonen]

The 54% isn't anywhere in the report. What is your source for that? Is it a forum estimate based on some vague rule of thumb?

Haemoglobin = Hematocrit/3


That's approximate obviously but works pretty well.

I believe they released his haemoglobin value as 17.9 g/dL.


That would put him right at the top of normal but is really meaningless unless we have more values. Do we?

 

[Parker]

Is it a forum estimate based on some vague rule of thumb?

Haemoglobin = Hematocrit/3

So that's a yes then.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In this instance, "forum estimate" feels like a loaded term.