Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[thehog]

Garmin manager Jonathan Vaughters confirmed that Tiernan-Locke came to the team's Girona base at the end of April 2012 for one power and one blood test.

http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/anti-doping-roundup

Doesn't sound like Garmin's testing amounted to much. They were about to sign off one test?

 

[thehog]

Nope......but it would not be the first time an agent told a team (Sky) that another team was about to sign his rider

A McQuaid no less!

 

[Von Mises]

Wiggins Garmin 2009 – Really Good, Sky 2010 – Bad.
Froome Barloworld 2009 – OK, Sky 2010 – Bad, 2011 first half, Bad.

Froome 2009 Barloworld and Froome 2010 Sky, result wise actually not much different.

 

[thehog]

Froome 2009 Barloworld and Froome 2010 Sky, result wise actually not much different.

Don't make us post the Dawg pushing Greg Henderson / motorbike photos.

Please!

 

[DirtyWorks]

cool story....so team sky can only afford protection for their a team

Mark L

This makes no sense. What we know is the UCI does not sanction all positives.

Why JTL? I have no idea. That's you making up a story.

 

[thehog]

http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/anti-doping-roundup

Doesn't sound like Garmin's testing amounted to much. They were about to sign off one test?

Thinking it about it some more.... Vaughters is hardly the bastion of truth to be honest. I'm leaning towards believing Smith on this one. Only because Vaughters has a history or only telling half the story.

I'm still on the side that Sky doped JTL or at the very least knew he was doping and didn't care. But Brailsford is a piece of work. Nothing surprises me with him.

 

[ebandit]

roll on

This makes no sense. What we know is the UCI does not sanction all positives.

Why JTL? I have no idea. That's you making up a story.

fact is you claim sky riders other than jtl are protected............making stuff up with no evidence

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

thigh high

Thinking it about it some more.... Vaughters is hardly the bastion of truth to be honest.

that's a 'thigh slapper' hoggy.............you're lies are well known

so why are members desperate to pin jtl's positive on team sky?

facts as I see them suggest otherwise............only jtl caught out...if team sky promoting his doping why did they not do a better job?

why did jtl's performance spike with endura then nothing with team sky?

remember it is yet to be proven that jtl was doping even if the facts don't look good for him

Mark L

 

[thehog]

why did jtl's performance spike with endura then nothing with team sky?

Mark L

You mean why did his performance "spike" whilst training with team Sky?

That is the question.

Spike they did.

 

[gooner]

You mean why did his performance "spike" whilst training with team Sky?

That is the question.

Spike they did.

Was he training with Sky for Haut Var and Mediterranean when this "spike" happened?

 

[bobbins]

Thinking it about it some more.... Vaughters is hardly the bastion of truth to be honest. I'm leaning towards believing Smith on this one. Only because Vaughters has a history or only telling half the story.

I'm still on the side that Sky doped JTL or at the very least knew he was doping and didn't care. But Brailsford is a piece of work. Nothing surprises me with him.

Brian Smith is no angel, I'd not trust him or Brailsford.

I think JTL did stray over the line but he'll get away with it and Sky will pay him off.

 

[thehog]

Was he training with Sky for Haut Var and Mediterranean when this "spike" happened?

His doping infraction is from his time whilst training with Sky.

Endura have confirmed this.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

His doping infraction is from his time whilst training with Sky.

Endura have confirmed this.

So just to confirm... are you saying his spiked values were when he was at Sky?

 

[thehog]

So just to confirm... are you saying his spiked values were when he was at Sky?

His doping infraction is from his time training with Sky and when in Sky colours under contract, yes?

The spike reference is to "performance". Ask Mark L what he means. He's trying to make it an Endura problem.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

His doping infraction is from his time training with Sky and when in Sky colours under contract, yes?

The spike reference is to "performance". Ask Mark L what he means. He's trying to make it an Endura problem.

I am asking when his spike was i.e. When he had higher values whom was he cycling for? Not who was he cycling for when the case was brought to his attention.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I am asking when his spike was i.e. When he had higher values whom was he cycling for? Not who was he cycling for when the case was brought to his attention.

The information is that that the anomalous sample is from the time he was under contract with Endura, in the immediate run up to the World Championships, so he was being supervised by British Cycling.

Prior to that he had been doing extensive training with Sky.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The information is that that the anomalous sample is from the time he was under contract with Endura, in the immediate run up to the World Championships, so he was being supervised by British Cycling.

Prior to that he had been doing extensive training with Sky.

So was With Endura. Did he start that WC?
I remember Something being mentioned about training with Sky. Tho many in the clinic here claim only the A team are properly supervised so why would they waste time on him?

 

[thehog]

I am asking when his spike was i.e. When he had higher values whom was he cycling for? Not who was he cycling for when the case was brought to his attention.

I"m sure Mark L will respond to you. Just give him some time.

 

[Race Radio]

So was With Endura. Did he start that WC?
I remember Something being mentioned about training with Sky. Tho many in the clinic here claim only the A team are properly supervised so why would they waste time on him?

Because Brailsford chose JTL as team leader 6 months prior to the Worlds and did not want to be embarrassed? Maybe Sky's new program only works on riders with British passports? The program also gives retroactive results. The mere anticipation of training with Sky in April resulted in JTL's peak months prior.

Is Sky's program run Doc Brown? Delorean replacing Jaguar as team car?

 

[Catwhoorg]

So was With Endura. Did he start that WC?
I remember Something being mentioned about training with Sky. Tho many in the clinic here claim only the A team are properly supervised so why would they waste time on him?

19th on the day in the select group within 5 seconds of P Gilbert.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

19th on the day in the select group within 5 seconds of P Gilbert.

Ah yes, thanks. I remember now. Hit the final climb with the main contenders, no?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Ah yes, thanks. I remember now. Hit the final climb with the main contenders, no?

Absolutely.

 

[thehog]

Absolutely.

He was good in that WC. It was energy sapping. He rode fairly smart but did burn matches following Contador. I would have followed Contador mind you.

Nibali clearly hitched a ride after his crash. But JTL rode very well for a guy who's never ridden over 206km before. Amazingly well. Couldn't believe he was still there for the win.

 

[thehog]

So Sky, Garmin and Endura all thought there were no irregularities with JTL.

.....kind of leads back to JTL doing things by himself again doesn't it?!

Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one..... JTL doped to secure the big contract with Sky, then couldn't continue to dope once subject to their internal testing....biopassport then throws up an anomaly.... JTL busted.

I don't know.

JTL and Sky signed a "letter of intent" in April 2012 & Kerrison was well involved with JTL at that stage.

Red flag?

The quote below is before he was caught for doping at BC/Sky.

Appears Brailsford had a plan for JTL.

This prompted a call from Team Sky, what was it like to be approached by them?


Well I’d spoken to them throughout the year, I’d already signed a letter of intent around this time last year (April) I think. Straight away I went on a training camp with them to Tenerife with a few of the guys. I worked with one of the coaches Tim Kerrison and he was checking my data, they weren’t leaving anything to chance making sure the results weren’t a fluke, but they were happy with the numbers so that gave me a lot of confidence, which was good. I knew there was interest from them, but I just wanted to concentrate on my races and make sure my results didn’t slip.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news...-henao-best-option-amstel-gold-094313983.html

 

[thehog]

His results were nothing to write home about in the month in Feb in a period where testing was done on him. It was the same in the months afterwards even though the case wasn't announced publicly. His performances were pitiful.

Are you suggesting Haut-Var and ToB are as strong and fast at say Paris Nice or other ProTour Races?

Surely not. His good results at Endura weren't in big ProTour races. They were in second and third string events. Even Wiggins says ToB is a weak race.

His WC was epic sans a GT in his legs.

I think comparing his Sky 2013 ProTour to second string French races at shorter distances is a little naive.

Haut-Var certainly was an all-star line up winning by 6 seconds over French guys all named Julien!

Final overall classification

1. Jonathan Tiernan-Locke (GBr) Endura in 10-10-29

2. Julien El Fares (Fra) Team Type 1 at 6 secs

3. Julien Simon (Fra) Saur-Sojasun at 9 secs

4. Romain Hardy (Fra) Bretagne-Schuller at 13 secs