Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[AmRacer]

Ayuso is at his beach weight, hasn't been at altitude camp and isn't in peak condition.
Beach weight is good for ITT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Right, but he won.

Discussing with a wall is tough. Have a nice day.

 

[Salvarani]

Ayuso will have a hard time trying to beat a healthy Pog or Vingegaard in a GT.

I just dont see it happening.

Anyway... what I would like to know is if Ayuso himself wanted to go to the Ardennes or the team really wanted him to try those races.

It would have probably made more sense skipping it and that he had some more rest after his win in Basque country.

Or race the Ardennes, then take a break. Not do Romandie.

Trying to do both has done him in.

 

[AmRacer]

Ayuso will have a hard time trying to beat a healthy Pog or Vingegaard in a GT.

I just dont see it happening.

Anyway... what I would like to know is if Ayuso himself wanted to go to the Ardennes or the team really wanted him to try those races.

It would have probably made more sense skipping it and that he had some more rest after his win in Basque country.

Or race the Ardennes, then take a break. Not do Romandie.

Trying to do both has done him in.

He can now have his well deserved rest, and then start building up for TdF.

 

[Berniece]

Genuinely think he'd win a Vuelta this year if not for Vingegaard going there to save his injury season (can't see the dane make it for the tour with his injuries)

Against Roglic that fell out of the TDF with a minor injury? Doubt it

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Against Roglic that fell out of the TDF with a minor injury? Doubt it

I assume Roglic will be out with a minor injury by stage 9 in the Vuelta

 

[staubsauger]

Ayuso is at his beach weight, hasn't been at altitude camp and isn't in peak condition.
Beach weight is good for ITT.

My Spanish pal told me it's also good for winning a Giro d'Italia including 3 Dolomites stages!

 

[Sciatic]

My Spanish pal told me it's also good for winning a Giro d'Italia including 3 Dolomites stages!

That was my first thought!

 

[ice&fire]

Carapaz takes the stage, Rodríguez takes the lead and Ayuso takes the CN forum front page. No wonder he is listed here

 

[BubbaChuck]

That's not how it works. Pogacar came in touch with professionalism at a later age, thereby leaving more room for improvement. He was 20 when he was still riding for Ljubljana, and by the time he got to UAE the Lampre stink was still over that team. Ayuso otoh, was riding high end bikes, training hard and working with a dietician at age 17, and came into a UAE team that had made strides into becoming a splendid team top to bottom.

Progression ain't a linear thing, but having access to the best situation is likely to make one peak/stagnate at an earlier age. It is something I think we'll be seeing a lot of in the near future, in this what I can professional junior era.

No way,that ayuso will peak at 24.i dont know,his genetical makeup,but thats very unlikely.Ayuso is biggest young talent in cycling and his mentality is elite.Even,if he stagnates for some time,evetually he will improve and reach pog/vinge level.His biggest strenght is climbing and tts,so perfect gc rider.UAE has another hinault/lemond situation.

 

[AmRacer]

No way,that ayuso will peak at 24.i dont know,his genetical makeup,but thats very unlikely.Ayuso is biggest young talent in cycling and his mentality is elite.Even,if he stagnates for some time,evetually he will improve and reach pog/vinge level.His biggest strenght is climbing and tts,so perfect gc rider.UAE has another hinault/lemond situation.

Primož/Jonas....

 

[BubbaChuck]

anyone has ayuso vo2max.

 

[Bolder]

No way,that ayuso will peak at 24.i dont know,his genetical makeup,but thats very unlikely.Ayuso is biggest young talent in cycling and his mentality is elite.Even,if he stagnates for some time,evetually he will improve and reach pog/vinge level.His biggest strenght is climbing and tts,so perfect gc rider.UAE has another hinault/lemond situation.

Juan? Is that you?

 

[Berniece]

No way,that ayuso will peak at 24.i dont know,his genetical makeup,but thats very unlikely.Ayuso is biggest young talent in cycling and his mentality is elite.Even,if he stagnates for some time,evetually he will improve and reach pog/vinge level.His biggest strenght is climbing and tts,so perfect gc rider.UAE has another hinault/lemond situation.

He seems to be stagnating a bit though

 

[Rackham]

No way,that ayuso will peak at 24.i dont know,his genetical makeup,but thats very unlikely.Ayuso is biggest young talent in cycling and his mentality is elite.Even,if he stagnates for some time,evetually he will improve and reach pog/vinge level.His biggest strenght is climbing and tts,so perfect gc rider.UAE has another hinault/lemond situation.

Some cycling 'influencers' were saying the same thing before the Vuelta last year, i.e. even saying he'd compete for the win.

I think the Angliru stage places a huge question mark over Ayuso's abilities to match the best in a 3 week GT. He was nowhere near Roglič, i.e. a benchmark in & of himself. So it's safe to say peak July Pog & Vinge are another matter (& stratosphere) entirely as well.

 

[Salvarani]

He seems to be stagnating a bit though

But he had big injury last spring and barely raced!!

He would be so much further ahead and won so much by now if not for that.

 

[BubbaChuck]

lol why the hate for ayuso.nobody is nostradamus,but who cares about one stage.you think that young pog,rogla or vinge could match this level.last year vuelta was hellluva competition.according to this logic,remco is forever doomed or pog could never beta jonas.doesnot work that way.look at pog and the times he bonked.all im saying,on surface he looks crazy talent.i dont have his internal numbers.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The problem with Ayuso is: everyone knows he is young and will improve in the future however he doesn't seem to be a top10 climber in the world.

 

[Froome]

The problem with Ayuso is: everyone knows he is young and will improve in the future however he doesn't seem to be a top10 climber in the world.

What are you talking about? Of course he is a top 10 climber in the world....for god's sake. You better start to look at his perfomances.

 

[Berniece]

The problem with Ayuso is: everyone knows he is young and will improve in the future however he doesn't seem to be a top10 climber in the world.

Who would you put ahead of him when it comes to climbing? Vingegaard, Pogacar, Evenepoel, Roglic, and A. Yates are better

I wouldn't put Bernal, Rodriguez, S. Yates, Skjelmose, Bilbao, Hindley, Thomas, Martinez, Mas, or O'Connor ahead of him.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Who would you put ahead of him when it comes to climbing? Vingegaard, Pogacar, Evenepoel, Roglic, and A. Yates are better

I wouldn't put Bernal, Rodriguez, S. Yates, Skjelmose, Bilbao, Hindley, Thomas, Martinez, Mas, or O'Connor ahead of him.

I think there is a slew of climbers that are too close to make any sensible "ranking" for and it 'll be down to circumstances, preparation, form... The fact that many are still so young, with too few points of reference isn't making it any easier. Who knows how Rodriguez, Del Toro, Uijtdebroeks, Lenny Martinez etc will develop compared to Ayuso. Hell, Hindley, Almeida, even Mas are at an age that would have been regarded as still working to their prime not too long ago.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Who would you put ahead of him when it comes to climbing? Vingegaard, Pogacar, Evenepoel, Roglic, and A. Yates are better

I wouldn't put Bernal, Rodriguez, S. Yates, Skjelmose, Bilbao, Hindley, Thomas, Martinez, Mas, or O'Connor ahead of him.

For me Hindley is also better but you are right, I can't say there are 10 climbers clearly better than him.
However we can't also say that Ayuso is better than Landa, Thomas, Kuss, Rodriguez when it comes to climbing.

 

[Berniece]

For me Hindley is also better but you are right, I can't say there are 10 climbers clearly better than him.
However we can't also say that Ayuso is better than Landa, Thomas, Kuss, Rodriguez when it comes to climbing.

That’s true, it’s like logic said. They are too close together and sometimes one is better than the other because of a number of things.

I find it weird that he has to do the TDF as a domestique for Pogacar though. I would let him lead in the Vuelta. Now we won’t really know where his capabilities lie after a year without serious injuries.

 

[Froome]

Who would you put ahead of him when it comes to climbing? Vingegaard, Pogacar, Evenepoel, Roglic, and A. Yates are better

I wouldn't put Bernal, Rodriguez, S. Yates, Skjelmose, Bilbao, Hindley, Thomas, Martinez, Mas, or O'Connor ahead of him.

Vingegaard
Pogacar
Roglic
Remco
Hindley
Kuss
Adam yates
Ayuso
Landa
Mas

This would be my list of top 10 climbers in the world.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Kuss, Hindley, S Yates, Carapaz, Thomas all GT winners, better, consistent and more accomplished climbers over 3 weeks until proven otherwise, though I'd take Ayuso over any of them in a 1 weeker. He's 21 and has the potential to surpass all of them dependant on how just trajectory goes. Bernal hard to tell.