Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Lequack]

So the next Valverde, Mas, or Contador?

 

[Peyroteo94]

The bald fraud is not a fraud after all? Or Ayuso is already peaking in March just like last year?

This is the main question. We need to wait for May.
However, he looks strong compared to his Giro rivals.

 

[balac]

Good win, but he didn't seem to have supersonic legs today. Will be interesting to see the Giro dynamics. Del Toro seems to be able to support him but yeah, Yates ain't going to do it.

 

[Tanakka]

Yeah, let's see, let's wait.

But:
- Faun Drome Classic
- Laigueglia
- Tirreno-Adriatico

is definitely a great first half of March.



Also, his GF looks cute.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900943048969761194

View: https://x.com/cyclingbetting/status/1900943048969761194

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Anyway...
We are supposed to see Vingegaard vs Ayuso at the 'Volta Ciclista a Catalunya', right?
Right?

 

[Mayomaniac]

This is the main question. We need to wait for May.
However, he looks strong compared to his Giro rivals.

I feel like he's too hot right now and going to fade at the Giro.

 

[hayneplane]

I feel like he's too hot right now and going to fade at the Giro.

Possibly or he has simply taken big step forward in his development. Impressive today and also impressive from Del Toro to work hard to shred the lead group, recover and then slalom his way back through the field to finish well inside the top 10.

 

[YavorD]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

 

[Lorzenz08]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

I havent seen the stage, but 50 seconds on Ganna on an 8km HC climb doesnt seem a lot. But maybe I missed some things ?

A great sign though that he keeps winning

 

[Netserk]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

I haven't seen direct comparisons, but from what I've seen today was similar in level to Petrano.

 

[BubbaChuck]

congrats on best performance of his career numbers wise.he took step forwards.this year he could actually shred visma in tour and than pog launches,lmao.

 

[Red Rick]

Obsession with W/kg as indicator of relative level needs to stop. Compare time gaps instead to other time gaps on similar efforts.

 

[YavorD]

Obsession with W/kg as indicator of relative level needs to stop. Compare time gaps instead to other time gaps on similar efforts.

The gaps are sometimes/often influenced by the race dynamics. I don't think they are always good indicator.

 

[Red Rick]

That indicates every single rider are capable of improving more? And thats false they arent, hence w/kg is a better indicator of measuring a riders level.

Say hello to Froome, Quintana, Bernal and the list goes on. W/kg alone and only isnt everything indeed but its better than what your saying.

No it levels out factors such as overall fatigue, and overall performance levels. Doing 6.8 W/kg for 20 minutes more impressive when the rest is doing 6 rather than doing 7 W/kg. It would also take out systematic estimation errors.

It also levels out fluctuation of level year by year. Contador doing 6.7 on Verbier was insane at the time. Now it would be mundane. They're not the same.

If you care only about W/kg, you gauge riders not by their actual level, but by stupid stuff like "did they race some hilarious unipuerto stages this year".

 

[Offline]

Kid making moves! Good to see! He is the favorite for the Giro..

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

Kid making moves! Good to see! He is the favorite for the Giro..

Rog's the favourite for me.

 

[BubbaChuck]

lol no time gaps are hilarius.contador performances would still be great today.why do you think every pro team does watts,not time gaps.this aint 63 anymore.you can easy see overall level went up directlly from watts.

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

lol no time gaps are hilarius.contador performances would still be great today.why do you think every pro team does watts,not time gaps.this aint 63 anymore.you can easy see overall level went up directlly from watts.

We dont actually see the watts though. We know the time, route and condition and estimate watts based on that. And since climbing speed vary so much based on conditions, comparing to competition is clearly necessary to get a real gauge of the level.

 

[SafeBet]

Hindley is a good benchmark for Ayuso's performance in TA compared to last year.
They finished together on Monte Petrano in 2024.

 

[Salvarani]

Hindley is a good benchmark for Ayuso's performance in TA compared to last year.
They finished together on Monte Petrano in 2024.

At the same time Pidcock finished closer or pretty much the same time to Ayuso now compared to last year on Monte Petrano.

If I remember correctly... Ayuso also dropped or was further down for some time on that stage last year, but then came back. If I am not mistaken.

 

[Red Rick]

lol no time gaps are hilarius.contador performances would still be great today.why do you think every pro team does watts,not time gaps.this aint 63 anymore.you can easy see overall level went up directlly from watts.

W/kg are ridiculous as becuase you're comparing things that should not at all be compared this way.

Roglic did higher W/kg than Pogacar in 2023, should I claim he was the better climber that year?

Watts are used by teams because they are the input variable. Those are what you work at. You can't control if other riders get better or not.

 

[Netserk]

Hindley is a good benchmark for Ayuso's performance in TA compared to last year.
They finished together on Monte Petrano in 2024.

Hindley was better in Valenciana and in the ITT last year.

Pidcock is probably better now than last year, but he did quite well on Petrano too.

 

[Rou]

Let's not forget that Ayuso would have won Tirreno last year if Vingegaard was not in the race.
In 8 days starts Catalunya - a proper race with some really hard stages, not like this soft Tirreno.
More importantly Roglic and Jonas will be there. Let's see if Juan can perform against the big guns.

 

[Extinction]

Let's not forget that Ayuso would have won Tirreno last year if Vingegaard was not in the race.
In 8 days starts Catalunya - a proper race with some really hard stages, not like this soft Tirreno.
More importantly Roglic and Jonas will be there. Let's see if Juan can perform against the big guns.

Well, Tirreno is primarilly just about getting the racing in, in light of la Classicissima, for which the race routes don't have to be excessively difficult. However, especially in its modern history, Tirreno is raced really hard, with the Italian event between the two seas offering some demanding terrain. In a tougher route like Catalunya, I don't think things change much for Ayusso, who should be up there battling Vingegaard and Roglic; but they would change significantly for a much heavier rider like Ganna, who would not be. In other worlds, Ayusso's strong showing in Tirreno shouldn't change in Catalunya. He will just be up against tougher adversaries on a route more suited to their climbing strengths.

 

[Froome]

Clearly better than last year.

Who is the coach of Ayuso?

 

[tobydawq]

Clearly better than last year.

Who is the coach of Ayuso?

Guardiola.