Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[CyclistAbi]

I’m replying by to you saying Ayuso didn’t get everything he wanted got leading GTs because he couldn’t go to the Tour. Why would you want Ayuso to go to the Tour when he won’t work got the leader like you’ve stated your dissatisfaction for other riders.

You have been, always stating your dissatisfaction and “we will see” of Roglic showing they were wrong.

I mean the original question was what more could Ayuso have wanted. Now you seem to suggest he would never see the Tour riding for UAE for as long as Pogi is doing it and he should be OK with it? And in his new team do you reckon he will go to the Tour? Will he be a leader?

I don’t think they would send all of those riders to the same GT, this isn’t a video game. But the post I’m replying to wanted Ayuso, Pogacar, Almeida, Adam, and who knows who else potentially to go to the Tour together.

Dou you believe RBH has send a well balanced GT GC orientated team to the Tour 2025?

 

[P4rthen0n]

Meanwhile Jay Vine wasn't waiting and Soler was thinking only of Soler's GC.

But Ayuso contributes and gets the criticism.

Why?

Because must....obey.....narrative.....

Regarding yesterday's stage people are just making jokes. It's not criticism.

The criticism comes from all the other times.
Ayuso set the bar so low that he's getting praise for pulling 400m at the base of a climb.
When he goes to a new team and does this several more times it will stop being news worthy and everyone will forget about it.

 

[Red Rick]

Regarding yesterday's stage people are just making jokes. It's not criticism.

The criticism comes from all the other times.
Ayuso set the bar so low that he's getting praise for pulling 400m at the base of a cat 1 climb.
When he goes to a new team and does this several more times it will stop being news worthy and everyone will forget about it.

It's hard to say where criticism stops, jokes start and vice versa.

With Marc Soler for example it's always jokes for example.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

One can hope this drama causes new young talents to think twice about joining UAE. For all their dominance, the only GC rider at UAE that has won a GT is Pogacar. In the meanwhile, Visma has won a GT with Roglic, Kuss, Vingegaard and Yates in the past few years.

 

[hrotha]

Meanwhile Jay Vine wasn't waiting and Soler was thinking only of Soler's GC.

But Ayuso contributes and gets the criticism.

Why?

Because must....obey.....narrative.....

Yes people are sheeple
Or maybe people pay more attention to Ayuso because he's legitimately the more important, more accomplished rider
Nah it's just people being sheeple

Soler is seen as a brat by everyone who cares enough to notice. "Higher-profile riders get more of a reaction" is hardly an earth-shattering observation, it doesn't mean there's double standards at play or anything of the sort

 

[AmRacer]

One can hope this drama causes new young talents to think twice about joining UAE. For all their dominance, the only GC rider at UAE that has won a GT is Pogacar. In the meanwhile, Visma has won a GT with Roglic, Kuss, Vingegaard and Yates in the past few years.

Maybe Remco should have joined VLAB then 🤪

 

[Red Rick]

Yes people are sheeple
Or maybe people pay more attention to Ayuso because he's legitimately the more important, more accomplished rider
Nah it's just people being sheeple

Soler is seen as a brat by everyone who cares enough to notice. "Higher-profile riders get more of a reaction" is hardly an earth-shattering observation, it doesn't mean there's double standards at play or anything of the sort

Higher profile riders than Ayuso have been poor teammates without it turning this level of circlejerk.

When much of a narrative is driven by a twitter account that belongs in an asylum, I don't find the "people are sheeple" angle that trivial to dismiss.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I mean the original question was what more could Ayuso have wanted. Now you seem to suggest he would never see the Tour riding for UAE for as long as Pogi is doing it and he should be OK with it? And in his new team do you reckon he will go to the Tour? Will he be a leader?



Dou you believe RBH has send a well balanced GT GC orientated team to the Tour 2025?

That’s not what was said, just wondering why your stance is changing for different riders on why they don’t deserve full team support. Unless his new team is Visma or Bora he will be at the Tour next year and he would be the GC leader. If it’s Lidl, he would share leadership with Milan or Pedersen.

Besides Meeus yes, only other riders I would have wanted there would be Martinez or Hindley.

 

[CyclistAbi]

That’s not what was said, just wondering why your stance is changing for different riders on why they don’t deserve full team support.

Yeah, first establishing what exactly one is arguing about makes much sense.

First of all we were speaking from Ayuso perspective all along, on where i said the Tour participation. Responding to somebody else asking on what more he might have wanted from the team. Age 22, 15 wins and counting, GC orientated and a good TTer.

Then you changed the angle and up to this point i didn't know exactly what you are arguing about. Basically you started the debate from Pogi perspective, Pogi not wanting Ayuso at the Tour, due to supposedly Ayuso not willing to support him. Such claim IMHO confirms what i was arguing about to the fullest. That is from Ayuso perspective he is limited at this team in terms of his options.

As for your question if Pogi deserves a fully dedicated GT GC orientated team at the Tour? Of course he does and he is basically the only rider in pro peloton that gets one. So again any present and future options for Ayuso are/were rather limited in this team.

Unless his new team is Visma or Bora he will be at the Tour next year and he would be the GC leader. If it’s Lidl, he would share leadership with Milan or Pedersen.

I see, he will most likely get to go to the Tour and there is a big chance that he will be a team GC leader.

Besides Meeus yes, only other riders I would have wanted there would be Martinez or Hindley.

I see, you would only change 3 riders. You have to admit that the situation, comparing UAE and RBH, at the Tour 2025, that is like comparing incomparable things. That is saying one has double standards if saying Ayuso eventually would need to join the UAE Tour selection, due to the type of rider he is, comparing that to RBH, on were Lipo and Rogla where the GT GC team. You have to admit that you are far stretching it, serisussly saying this two situations are comparable in any meaningful way.

 

[Peter von]

One can hope this drama causes new young talents to think twice about joining UAE. For all their dominance, the only GC rider at UAE that has won a GT is Pogacar. In the meanwhile, Visma has won a GT with Roglic, Kuss, Vingegaard and Yates in the past few years.

You’d think so. But a young lad high on his own super talent will back himself to dethrone any Captain, even Pogi. So it’s a bit weird.

i also think UAE should be starting to think about how they avoid these situations moving forwards.

 

[Extinction]

According to Italian ex-pro, Strada Bianchi winner, nephew of the legendary Francesco and Eurosport commentator on live Vuelta coverage today, Moreno Moser, it's been heard through the grapevine that Pogacar told the team he wants Ayuso out immeadiately. Now if anyone on the street were to say such a thing, you'd righty dismiss it as mere hearsay. But when someone from a member of a cycling dynasty close to a pivotal figure in the signing Pogacar at UAE, Giuseppe Saroni, himself a star in the 80s, says it, well, it can't be just ignored.

 

[ppanther92]

Ayuso putting in the hard work again, when UAE pulls. Oh, wait...

 

[CyclistAbi]

Ayuso putting in the hard work again, when UAE pulls. Oh, wait...

Ayuso was perfect scapegoat for UAE, wasn't he? Today nobody from UAE was there at the end and hence it's Ayuso fault. Ayuso told the team to not be there.

Yeah, looking back this was truly ridiculous behaviour from sports media/fandom, UAE didn't even have to fuel it as it was self sustained, although and said that they had no problems resulting to it in need.

 

[ppanther92]

Ayuso was perfect scapegoat for UAE, wasn't he? Today nobody from UAE was there at the end and hence it's Ayuso fault. Ayuso told the team to not be there.

Yeah, looking back this was truly ridiculous behaviour from sports media/fandom, UAE didn't even have to fuel it as it was self sustained, although and said that they had no problems resulting to it in need.

Vine and Großschartner were and pulled at the beginning of the last climb, while Ayuso long couldnt be assed anymore.

All while he obviously is stronger than those two.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Vine and Großschartner were and pulled at the beginning of the last climb, while Ayuso long couldnt be assed anymore.

All while he obviously is stronger than those two.

Meh.

 

[Oldman]

I mean the original question was what more could Ayuso have wanted. Now you seem to suggest he would never see the Tour riding for UAE for as long as Pogi is doing it and he should be OK with it? And in his new team do you reckon he will go to the Tour? Will he be a leader?



Dou you believe RBH has send a well balanced GT GC orientated team to the Tour 2025?

Today's Stage 11 effort would seem to say yes. Well represented although the chaos at the finish precluded any pursuit to catch the 2 breakaways.

 

[Oldman]

Vine and Großschartner were and pulled at the beginning of the last climb, while Ayuso long couldnt be assed anymore.

All while he obviously is stronger than those two.

Not sure I saw either take a meaningful pull. Once things accelerated on 2nd to last climb it was the front group, then the catchers before Pidcock launched. The rider that most impressed was Jorgenson who managed to get back on terms after setting the serious tempo. Good day for JV, RB and Pidcock. Almeida worked hard to stay in that 2nd group and not being able to contest the last 3km could've cost some time?

 

[Berniece]

According to Italian ex-pro, Strada Bianchi winner, nephew of the legendary Francesco and Eurosport commentator on live Vuelta coverage today, Moreno Moser, it's been heard through the grapevine that Pogacar told the team he wants Ayuso out immeadiately.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. People might think Ayuso meant Gianetti as a dictator, but he meant Pogacar. He's really like Armstong.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Doesn't surprise me one bit. People might think Ayuso meant Gianetti as a dictator, but he meant Pogacar. He's really like Armstong.

So Pog, the by far best rider in the world, doesn't want Ayuso, a rider known to don't give a *** about anyone other than himself, out of the team. If you ask me, thats pretty normal and nothing like Armstrong at all.

Also, its still just rumours. But you can't blame him, and comparing that so Armstrong is just so far out man.

Edit: Thats like comparing Remco to Eddy, and even that is probably closer to the truth.

 

[Red Rick]

So Pog, the by far best rider in the world, doesn't want Ayuso, a rider known to don't give a *** about anyone other than himself, out of the team. If you ask me, thats pretty normal and nothing like Armstrong at all.

Also, its still just rumours. But you can't blame him, and comparing that so Armstrong is just so far out man.

Edit: Thats like comparing Remco to Eddy, and even that is probably closer to the truth.

Big difference between not wanting to race with someone as your domestique and wanting someone kicked out the team.

To me the comparison to Armstrong isn't far fetched at all.

 

[CyclistAbi]

We should be careful here and show we learned a lesson. That is now when Ayuso is resigning from his position as being a scapegoat for UAE, self sustained narrative that suited UAE, sports media and fandom, now there is a big void involved and IMHO pinning everything on Pogi, that would be crazy.

Even if Pogi had something to do with it each and everybody of the involved bunch needs first to eat their piece of the pie before even thinking about doing something else.

 

[Netserk]

To me the comparison to Armstrong isn't far fetched at all

It is known.

 

[pastronef]

It is known.

will Pog follow Ayuso to the races he has in his schedule in 2026? Pog changes from Tirreno to Paris-Nice last minute. Pog adds Itzulia and Catalunya in his schedule, Pog ditches UAE Tour and goes to Ruta del Sol, etc etc

 

[Cookster15]

I assume this article covers the situation.

"Pogacar wants Ayuso out immediately" - Dutch pundit argues World Champion had a say in Ayuso's UAE departure

Juan Ayuso's departure from UAE Team Emirates - XRG is currently the hot topic in the Vuelta a Espana, but the decision to part ways was already made long before the race began. Thijs Zonneveld brings...

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At end of the day its the performance on the road that counts. At this Vuelta Ayuso didn't help his cause by his collapse in stage 9. That was nothing to do with Pogacar as far as I can see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I assume this article covers the situation.

Poor sports media, only now, when the bubble bursted, the very next day, after years, they got it all figured out, the truth. Today it's Pogi then, such garbage sports media has become, well, at least they have to live in it, only fair.