Juan Ayuso discussion thread

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Del Toro has won minor mountain classics.
It's the same as the discussion in Remco's thread about he can win the Tour.


They both have similar chances. I actually think Del Toro has a better chance to win the WC than Remco win TDF because in a one-day race, it's more likely there's an underdog winner.
Isaac Del Toro is in second year depth of training and racing at pro level speeds, pro level distances, pro level tactics. He is nowhere near a Pogacar or Remco, Del Toro is super talented, undeniable upward trajectory but he is a smart person, he has realistic expectations against riders throughout, but he is not going to race against his experience at UAE. He not going to reinvent a life were riders on his trade team are his advisories, not going to happen. He is going to follow Pogacar not attack him.
Ayuso is open season.
WC races and Olympics often have riders from federations of varying depth so that will make early part of the race more dangerous. Regardless of the media, Del Toro is learning, he has not mastered anything despite 10 wins this season. He will follow Pogacar( so will everyone else) and his trade team alliance.
Ayuso may have some grand plan to teach UAE a lesson and show them what they are missing but Del Toro will play by the rules, follow directions, stay in line with the " dictatorship " because abiding by teams direction is part of his early success, he knows that.
Del Toro knows he is racing his second season and will follow the advice of the massive experience at UAE and Isaac has guys like Solar, Almeida, Majka, Pogacar, McNulty to get advice from, unlike Juan Ayuso , Del Toro can't imagine being part of a better organization.
Ayuso went WT level in 2021 has 16 wins,
Del Toro joined WT level in 2024 and has 13 pro wins.
Heartbreaking that Juan Ayuso let's his ego get in the way of finishing out his ride at UAE calmly and professionally.
 
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Now that Ayuso is out del Toro already saying he will race against Pogi at Worlds.

The Godfather of UAE team will surely have a few words with Del Toro, who will then turn out to be a good dom at the WC.
 
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The Godfather of UAE team will surely have a few words with Del Toro, who will then turn out to be a good dom at the WC.
That's a naïve take imo.
He won't need to have a few words with Del Toro. Because what cyclists say beforehand, and what they actually do in the race are often two completely different things.
 
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Pedersen or Milan will be out next season
It affects Milan more than Pedersen as Pedersen isn't a feature in bunch sprints anymore so the team needed for him is the same as the team needed for Ayuso.

But even then, Milan just needs three lead out men, and they can double as controllers of flat road in mountain stages.
 
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It affects Milan more than Pedersen as Pedersen isn't a feature in bunch sprints anymore so the team needed for him is the same as the team needed for Ayuso.

But even then, Milan just needs three lead out men, and they can double as controllers of flat road in mountain stages.

Ayuso will just have to follow Visma and UAE
 
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I dont understand that either. Given his history, I would have started with 2 years? What could be the reasoning behind it.
I assume there was a buy out fee, which is then amortized over a longer period of time.

Basically the same reason Chelsea is giving their players 8 year contracts.
 
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And Ayuso?

Giro squad - Milan and his lead out men, Ciccone as stagehunter

Tour squad - Pedersen and Ayuso plus full support for Ayuso

Vuelta squad - Milan and his lead out men, Skjelmose GC

Probably another GT for Ayuso, Skjelmose and/or Ciccone - but I think that will be kind of the main focus in terms of GT for Ayuso, Pedersen and Milan at least.

Actually more difficulties to be expected for Skjelmose rather than for Pedersen and Milan I guess… Ayuso transfer will have a massive impact on Skjelmoses future GC bids
 
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For sure it will be a lot of work for the management at Lidl-Trek to keep them all happy. But I think it's doable with some hands on leadership instead of closing your eyes and hoping it sorts itself out as seems to be the UAE approach.

You would think they have talked a lot about this during contract negotiations and Ayuso might be happy that he doesn't have to work for anyone and have a bit of support in high mountains. I don't think it'll be too bad for Milan or Pedersen having Ayuso on the team.

If Ayuso then suddenly is able to challenge Pogi they'll have to rework the team to give him more climbing support going forwards.

The bigger issue to me is keeping both Milan and Pedersen happy if both want's to go for green+stages at Tour.
 
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Depends on what you think is funny. Maybe the expectations of LIDL-Trek are top 10 and if everything goes perfect top 5. I wouldn't send him to TDF though. Giro/Vuelta double.
Reckon it'd be easier to fit him in a Tour team with Pedersen than in a Giro team with Milan.
Unless Lidl plans to send both Pedersen and Milan to the Tour, which would actually make sense.