Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[KZD]

While I still have my doubts about Ayuso, there are some that seem a bit too eager in writing him off as a GT winner.

Its true that his development in the last two seasons hasn't exactly been great but its also worth remembering that he had his fair share of bad luck in those seasons and yet at 22, he has already stepped into a GT podium, got a top5 and won one of the big7 one week stage races.

It remains to be seen if he will be able to win this Giro but he does seem to have improved this season, even though Tirreno and especially Catalunya will tell us more about that.

 

[YavorD]

It remains to be seen if he will be able to win this Giro but he does seem to have improved this season, even though Tirreno and especially Catalunya will tell us more about that.

Damn, Catalunya will have a very good start list. Ayuso, Yates, Vingegaard, Roglic...also Landa, Mas, Carapaz..

I mean, mentioning these mere mortals alongside Vingegaard is ridiculous but yeah.

 

[Breh]

What is considered Ayuso's best climbing performance to date?
Something from the 2022 Vuelta?

 

[Mayomaniac]

What is considered Ayuso's best climbing performance to date?
Something from the 2022 Vuelta?

Or 2023 Tour de Suisse queenstage.

 

[Netserk]

What is considered Ayuso's best climbing performance to date?
Something from the 2022 Vuelta?

Albulapass, Petrano, Izua, maybe Tourmalet from the Vuelta?

 

[ice&fire]

What is considered Ayuso's best climbing performance to date?
Something from the 2022 Vuelta?

Galibier '24.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This guy is obnoxious. He is blaming his team for being alone and having to respond to everyone. My biggest hope in the giro is seeing this guy getting destroyed in the mountains.

 

[Offline]

This guy is obnoxious. He is blaming his team for being alone and having to respond to everyone. My biggest hope in the giro is seeing this guy getting destroyed in the mountains.

He is not so likable I agree. But to be fair he is right today. He should have had 2-3 teams mates.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He is not so likable I agree. But to be fair he is right today. He should have had 2-3 teams mates.

He is right if he wasn't doing the same in the Tour. Karma my friend.

 

[Lequack]

So the next Valverde, Mas, or Contador?

 

[Peyroteo94]

The bald fraud is not a fraud after all? Or Ayuso is already peaking in March just like last year?

This is the main question. We need to wait for May.
However, he looks strong compared to his Giro rivals.

 

[balac]

Good win, but he didn't seem to have supersonic legs today. Will be interesting to see the Giro dynamics. Del Toro seems to be able to support him but yeah, Yates ain't going to do it.

 

[Tanakka]

Yeah, let's see, let's wait.

But:
- Faun Drome Classic
- Laigueglia
- Tirreno-Adriatico

is definitely a great first half of March.



Also, his GF looks cute.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900943048969761194

View: https://x.com/cyclingbetting/status/1900943048969761194

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Anyway...
We are supposed to see Vingegaard vs Ayuso at the 'Volta Ciclista a Catalunya', right?
Right?

 

[Mayomaniac]

This is the main question. We need to wait for May.
However, he looks strong compared to his Giro rivals.

I feel like he's too hot right now and going to fade at the Giro.

 

[hayneplane]

I feel like he's too hot right now and going to fade at the Giro.

Possibly or he has simply taken big step forward in his development. Impressive today and also impressive from Del Toro to work hard to shred the lead group, recover and then slalom his way back through the field to finish well inside the top 10.

 

[YavorD]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

 

[Lorzenz08]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

I havent seen the stage, but 50 seconds on Ganna on an 8km HC climb doesnt seem a lot. But maybe I missed some things ?

A great sign though that he keeps winning

 

[Netserk]

What are Ayuso's numbers compared to last year?

I haven't seen direct comparisons, but from what I've seen today was similar in level to Petrano.

 

[BubbaChuck]

congrats on best performance of his career numbers wise.he took step forwards.this year he could actually shred visma in tour and than pog launches,lmao.

 

[Red Rick]

Obsession with W/kg as indicator of relative level needs to stop. Compare time gaps instead to other time gaps on similar efforts.

 

[YavorD]

Obsession with W/kg as indicator of relative level needs to stop. Compare time gaps instead to other time gaps on similar efforts.

The gaps are sometimes/often influenced by the race dynamics. I don't think they are always good indicator.

 

[Red Rick]

That indicates every single rider are capable of improving more? And thats false they arent, hence w/kg is a better indicator of measuring a riders level.

Say hello to Froome, Quintana, Bernal and the list goes on. W/kg alone and only isnt everything indeed but its better than what your saying.

No it levels out factors such as overall fatigue, and overall performance levels. Doing 6.8 W/kg for 20 minutes more impressive when the rest is doing 6 rather than doing 7 W/kg. It would also take out systematic estimation errors.

It also levels out fluctuation of level year by year. Contador doing 6.7 on Verbier was insane at the time. Now it would be mundane. They're not the same.

If you care only about W/kg, you gauge riders not by their actual level, but by stupid stuff like "did they race some hilarious unipuerto stages this year".

 

[Offline]

Kid making moves! Good to see! He is the favorite for the Giro..

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

Kid making moves! Good to see! He is the favorite for the Giro..

Rog's the favourite for me.

 

[BubbaChuck]

lol no time gaps are hilarius.contador performances would still be great today.why do you think every pro team does watts,not time gaps.this aint 63 anymore.you can easy see overall level went up directlly from watts.