Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[VayaVayaVaya]

I don't cheer for him, but he doesn't seem too bad, honestly. A little arrogant and hungry? Sure. You rarely get to the top if you aren't, though. It's not like he killed a cat or dropped a racial slur or anything. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to a different team, though. I'd like Del Toro to, as well. But likely neither of those things will happen, and we will be stuck with them all on one team. At least Pellizzari is on Bora.

 

[yaco]

And nothing indicates that the team does not want him.

Its a two way street. He may not be happy with the teAM

 

[Cycling111]

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[Mako]

What else would good old Mauro say? Only time will tell.

Personally I'd be in favor of spreading the good riders across more teams. Would be way more fun to watch.
Imagine a Tour that could be won 6 people instead of 2.

 

[Offline]

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He have to say that..

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Stagnation or no stagnation, he has had impressively bad luck in his GTs. Covid in the 2022 Vuelta, completely messed up season hindering him in the 2023 Vuelta, Covid again in last year's Tour and now a knee injury. That's four from four GTs where he has been prevented from performing at 100%. If he was more likeable (and preferably not on UAE) it would have made him a Landa-esque popular underdog.

As well as lacking the likeability/charisma of landa, as you mention in your post, what always went in landas favour was that he was always attacking and raced on instinct ( less so nowadays as he became more a diesel). Helped him to be a popular undergod. I don't see this in ajuso. He is always hiding, following and does not do big attacks. He is also, according to other riders , very obsessively following numbers and looking his watts in the race.

Although is hard for me to like anyone on team UAE, I do not know ajuso enough to particularly dislike him. But at the same time, I don't know what appeal there is to support him. He does not do interviews, he does not have an impact on races, he doesn't attack, he doesn't help his teammates and do big pulls on camera, and because of his team and the fact that he wins enough outside of GTs, he doesn't seem like an underdog in anyway.

Perhaps if gianetti and Martin openly dislike him enough I'll start to support him

 

[Cycling111]

What else would good old Mauro say? Only time will tell.

Personally I'd be in favor of spreading the good riders across more teams. Would be way more fun to watch.
Imagine a Tour that could be won 6 people instead of 2.

In reality, that's never happened except in transitional years.

TDF has historically been a duel between two cyclists; it's even been rare for it to be a three riders duel.
It's even been more common for it to be a one rider duel than a three riders duel

 

[Mako]

In reality, that's never happened except in transitional years.

TDF has historically been a duel between two cyclists; it's even been rare for it to be a three riders duel.
It's even been more common for it to be a one rider duel than a three riders duel

You are right of course. Hence the "just imagine" part. If Ayuso and del toro were to become a bit better and were on different teams, we could atleast have somewhat of an illusion of a 5 man fight next year. But yeah.. daydreams. Let's see what happens to good old Juan.

 

[perico]

You can’t expect all the young riders to turn into Pogacar, which seems to be UAE’s problem. Ayuso and Del Toro have a lot of talent, but they are still so young. Just because we suddenly had an influx of super talents when the stars aligned doesn’t mean that guys who don’t win immediately are without potential to win one day. When you hit 24 is when we should really see a rider winning GTs. Sure some have potential to win immediately, but then are washed by the time they reach 31 years old.

maybe you do with some irony. those feckers hate him personally. angry with him. those bstards tweeps who'd never turned a pedal, having a go at a rider whose talent they'll never even imagine. I hate those Spaniards even more than the Sky haters

heh ask Enric Mas about Spanish twitter. They are brutal.

 

[noob]

You are right of course. Hence the "just imagine" part. If Ayuso and del toro were to become a bit better and were on different teams, we could atleast have somewhat of an illusion of a 5 man fight next year. But yeah.. daydreams. Let's see what happens to good old Juan.

Old?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Mako]

Old?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ahhh, I literally translated a german idiom. However, he feels like an old soul to me ;-)

 

[noob]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SoblPKUmJE


Listen to Brunyel here

 

[Peyroteo94]

I can't believe how some people think what happened in the Tour is overreaction from Pogacar diehard fans. Almeida's reaction and Yates post race interview were very telling. His late withdraw in 2024 Ardennes is not overreaction from Pogacar fans. He is getting leadership and he is failling miserably.

 

[noob]

I can't believe a stitched up knee on a bike for 200 kilometer a day, partly in horrible rain isn't seen as a valid reason to "fail".

 

[SafeBet]

Iñigo San Millán, entrenador de Juan Ayuso: “Tenía el Giro de Italia en sus piernas”

Mientras Isaac del Toro responde venciendo de rosa en Bormio, el preparador del ciclista español explica las razones de su hundimiento

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[Faserr]

One crash ruined Roglic and Auyso.

 

[AmRacer]

One crash ruined Roglic and Auyso.

And Landa

 

[Peyroteo94]

Iñigo San Millán, entrenador de Juan Ayuso: “Tenía el Giro de Italia en sus piernas”

Mientras Isaac del Toro responde venciendo de rosa en Bormio, el preparador del ciclista español explica las razones de su hundimiento

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The bald fraud is back (of course he is good but how good is he? Specially compared to Sola). Seriously, I look to Sola riders (and their improvement) and we need to question how good is San Milan. Other thing very important is his commitment (I'm not saying he is not professional, I just think he has other priorities). Sola, Swart are in the most important training camp before the Tour and San Milan is not there.
Sola is currently training 7 riders on UAE:
Pogacar
Covi
Almeida
Yates
Del Toro
Novak
(I don't know who is the other one)

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[Cycling111]

It's very unfortunate to say that he hopes to feel better on Friday or Saturday to win the stage while Del Toro depends on those days to win the Giro.

Ayuso's biggest mistake is always his statements.
He should be better advised.

With Del Toro in this situation, talking about winning a stage is a mistake.

 

[solo80k]

The bald fraud is back (of course he is good but how good is he? Specially compared to Sola). Seriously, I look to Sola riders (and their improvement) and we need to question how good is San Milan. Other thing very important is his commitment (I'm not saying he is not professional, I just think he has other priorities). Sola, Swart are in the most important training camp before the Tour and San Milan is not there.
Sola is currently training 7 riders on UAE:
Pogacar
Covi
Almeida
Yates
Del Toro
Novak
(I don't know who is the other one)

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Isn't Majka training under Sola this year as well?

 

[Cycling111]

The bald fraud is back (of course he is good but how good is he? Specially compared to Sola). Seriously, I look to Sola riders (and their improvement) and we need to question how good is San Milan. Other thing very important is his commitment (I'm not saying he is not professional, I just think he has other priorities). Sola, Swart are in the most important training camp before the Tour and San Milan is not there.
Sola is currently training 7 riders on UAE:
Pogacar
Covi
Almeida
Yates
Del Toro
Novak
(I don't know who is the other one)

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Pogacar gave an interview in early 2024.
When talking about Sola, he thanked him for his personal support, he didn't just talk about him being a good coach.
He said that in 2023 he felt alone after his injury in Liège.
He didn't name names, but it was significant that he said this when talking about his new coach.

He wasn't even talking about it on a training level, but on a personal and psychological level.
He said he discovered who was on his side and who wasn't, and that since Liège, he's been completely abandoned.

There's another thing that strikes me. San Millan uses social media a lot, but he didn't congratulate Pogacar for either the Tour or the Worlds

Sola congratulates all the riders, including Ayuso, whom he doesn't coach.

Even though San Millan is no longer Pogacar's personal coach, it's striking that he doesn't even comment on the team's greatest achievements last year.
If it were someone who was not on social media, but was someone who was very active on it. It would look worse for that reason.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's very unfortunate to say that he hopes to feel better on Friday or Saturday to win the stage while Del Toro depends on those days to win the Giro.

Ayuso's biggest mistake is always his statements.
He should be better advised.

With Del Toro in this situation, talking about winning a stage is a mistake.

Did he say that? If so, how can some people say he is a victim of Pogacar fans?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Isn't Majka training under Sola this year as well?

I don't know.

 

[Cycling111]

Did he say that? If so, how can some people say he is a victim of Pogacar fans?

The idea that he's a victim of Pogacar is absurd.

Pogacar hasn't done anything to Ayuso.
Some people confuse what some fans are saying with Pogacar. Pogacar isn't his fans; he's an independent person, and he's always spoken well of Ayuso.

Furthermore, the whole thing about Pogacar fans hating Ayuso has taken a turn.
Many Pogacar haters are fans of Ayuso, and that's really sad. They don't even support Ayuso because they like Ayuso, but because they hate another rider.

The LR thing is obvious. They started a pro-Ayuso campaign while being part of Visma. One of their collaborators even said he should be UAE leader in the 2024 Tour. And by fabricating data, claiming that Ayuso moved more watts than Pogacar. Something we've never seen.
We have collaborators from the rival team giving those opinions, trying to destabilize the leader of the rival team while having interests in Visma, but some people are worried about what anonymous fans say.

I don't even want to think about what would be said if LR were working in the UAE and insinuated that Roglic was a bully who was harming Vingegaard and that they were campaigning for who should be the Visma leader.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The idea that he's a victim of Pogacar is absurd.

Pogacar hasn't done anything to Ayuso.
Some people confuse what some fans are saying with Pogacar. Pogacar isn't his fans; he's an independent person, and he's always spoken well of Ayuso.

Furthermore, the whole thing about Pogacar fans hating Ayuso has taken a turn.
Many Pogacar haters are fans of Ayuso, and that's really sad. They don't even support Ayuso because they like Ayuso, but because they hate another rider.

The LR thing is obvious. They started a pro-Ayuso campaign while being part of Visma. One of their collaborators even said he should be UAE leader in the 2024 Tour. And by fabricating data, claiming that Ayuso moved more watts than Pogacar. Something we've never seen.
We have collaborators from the rival team giving those opinions, trying to destabilize the leader of the rival team while having interests in Visma, but some people are worried about what anonymous fans say.

I don't even want to think about what would be said if LR were working in the UAE and insinuated that Roglic was a bully who was harming Vingegaard and that they were campaigning for who should be the Visma leader.

So true.