Ayuso wants to be captain, he doesn't want to work for someone else, Pogi, Toro etc. He wants a team dedicated to him only. That's fine, but he won't get that riding for UAE.
It's simple as that. Pog haters don't get it.
It's simple as that. Pog haters don't get it.
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And of course Salvarani is right. Team orders are team orders, it doesn't matter if it's Roglic or Pog the leader.
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You have to wonder though how this villainous Ayuso keeps on getting the favors of Gianetti and UAE.
You know, Pog's actual bosses. It's like... maybe the team just sees things differently than hardcore fanboys do who're getting their 'insider' scoops from mou on social media.
Of course some of the Portuguese 'hate Ayuso'. The same way some Belgians hate on Rog since Imola 2020.
Chauvinism is endemic in cycling. That's not a critique btw, it's a statement of fact. People get very easily riled up at perceived insults and betrayals. That has been true in cycling for a very, very long time.
Why are you so obsessed with Pog? You seem to have a problem about him and other posters more than anything else here.
We are only talking about Ayuso in here and his actions. You are trying to make it about something else and going at other posters for absolutely no reason.
Ayuso let his team and teammates down in the Tour last year. They were visibly frustrated with him in Almeida case. Objectively this is what transpired.
Ayuso is a young and very talented rider. Of course he will get more opportunities to redeem himself. His ceiling is still high and he has currently a few years left on his contract with the team, unless something happens. Unless they have a big fallout... he will continue with them and they will work on things.
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Don't forget Yates's post race interview. These are facts but he is trying to blame us (Pogacar fans) for overreaction.
"I had to do my job early cause some guys weren't in position" - Adam Yates hints at Juan Ayuso's tactics on Galibier
Adam Yates' performance on the Galibier climb was more than disappointing and this morning before the race he wanted to blame his teammate Juan Ayuso for being left early. Surprisingly, he didn't spen...
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Difficult to understand why he was continuing the race if he had a problem with his knee.
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I personally think it just has to do with expecting to race for himself, even when he's not the strongest (and then refuses to help). Anybody that has raced on a team knows this is not an endearing quality.
Many people don't react well to low dosage antihistamines, his eye was near swollen closed, and his leg stiches keep coming open, off pace, leg hurts and the solution to be able to see is taking a medication that makes majority of people super sleepy!!
Abandon is better for him, for the team, one less mouth to feed, get bottles for.. And because of who he is, where he fits in the team, they are going to have a car supporting him..he did the right thing. Ayuso had a series of unfortunate events, Internet might think it's the end of the world, doubt he does
Did they know Pogacar didn't participate in the Giro?
He's not responsible for what happens to Ayuso in the races he's not in.
As I said before, rather than supporting Ayuso, many people use him as a weapon againts Pogacar. That's the saddest thing; it's not even a real suppor for Ayuso; he's being used to attack other rider.
Pogacar's problem is being a good cyclist and having beaten other fans' favorites.
Ayuso's situation is a new way of attacking him.
No former teammate criticizes him as a teammate; everyone has spoken highly of him. Even Hirschi, who wanted his space, spoke good of him as a teammate when he left the team.
It makes no sense to continue involving Pogacar in Ayuso's problems with the team. Pogacar is not responsible for Ayuso's situation.
And he's not responsible for Ayuso's schedule either. Pogacar is the best cyclist in the world. If Ayuso doesn't want to be his domestique, he knows he won't be the leader in races where someone better than him is competing in the same team. That would happen on any team.
But LR (Visma workers) and some fans say that's why Pogacar is hurting him. Pogacar doesn´t ban him; Ayuso went to the 2024 Tour, Canada,.. Pogacar isn't responsible for Ayuso having a contract with his team and not being able to lead the Tour because Ayuso isn't the best on that team.
What should he do, give up his place?
In FW thread, I read a comment on the forum calling Pogacar selfish because he wanted to win and wouldn't let Christen do it.
Is Remco going to be domestique for Landa in Lieje? Anyone who wants to share a team with those riders knows what to expect.
Ayuso's problem is that, being on the same team as someone who is superior to him, but that is not Pogacar's fault.
They don't know what to criticize anymore.
Now they've seized on Ayuso's situation to vent their frustration at Pogacar. It's so obvious they're doing it for that reason that it's absurd.
They don't care about Ayuso, he's their new weapon against Pogacar, it's so obvious that LR is using him for that reason that it's ethically questionable since they have interests with Visma.
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You see this back in everything, where the enemy is simultaneously incredibly weak and incredibly strong, the Dear Leader is absolutely perfect and immune but also poor guy completely victimized, or "we are the majority but we are victimized" bs.
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Ayuso has no "situation" with UAE. Not as far as we're aware of. Gianetti & co in fact seem to love the guy. I have no skin in the game. I don't care. But the absolute only reason Ayuso is even seen as an 'issue' is because of events surrounding his role supporting Pog in the TdF and everything that happened there.
I mean you and some others keep on accusing all and sundry of having an Pog-hate obsession but seriously, who are you kidding? No one else other than Pog (& apparently to a lesser degree Almeida) fans have an issue with Ayuso.
It's like the pot calling the kettle black here.
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I totally understand that, as a Pogacar fan, you mistrust/dislike Ayuso for apparent dereliction of duty in the 2024 TdF.
But explain how his abandon today was selfishness? With what I assume is considerable discomfort, limited field of vision and depth perception, he would have been a menace in a peloton, and should not have been allowed to start.
What was selfish in his DNF today?
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Guys do I remember correctly that Almeida didn't pull for Pogi on Isola 2000 and that it was all Yates?
Did about as much as Ayuso on Galibier, finished 4th on GC, he's hardly covered himself in glory either. I think the theatrics were him projecting.
This is what it's supposed to look like;
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Almeida didn't pull on PdB as well.
He dropped himself early, so he can pace himself up the mountain and keep his GC place.
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Time stamp where they talk about Ayuso. Broe doing a 180 turn. Now according to Broe Almeida is the selfish rider.
View: https://youtu.be/OlFk02vVEWc?si=fOnvpkwIknosu-a9&t=125
Broe started talking about Ayuso as selfish 2022. Be it taking a piss or not he definitely didn't help Ayuso reputation. And now instead turn against another.
J'accuse LRCP they were so part of drumming up that Ayuso is selfish hype. (So was I but thankfully I have no platform)
Broe started talking about Ayuso as selfish 2022. Be it taking a piss or not he definitely didn't help Ayuso reputation. And now instead turn against another.
J'accuse LRCP they were so part of drumming up that Ayuso is selfish hype. (So was I but thankfully I have no platform)
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This is even more predictable than Pogacar winning the Tour by 5 minutes+ last year.
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Almeida was next in line behind Adam to pull in front of Pogacar. Almeida started to struggle and Pogacar attacked. Almeida didn’t hide in the back of the group, he was at the front.
Jorgenson and Vingegaard were doing all of the work on PdB for Pogacar. Opposite Galibier where the team was trying to set up a high pace for Pogacar to attack but Ayuso was riding in the back of the group.
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