I thought F1 was dead and gone but Drive to Survive tarted it up. Now half the girls in my son’s lycee are fans.
Cycling could do the same. Every race has a dramatic arc. This year’s Vuelta was basically made for TV.
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Cycling could do the same. Every race has a dramatic arc. This year’s Vuelta was basically made for TV.
You don't count. You are too young to know.
Guesses:
Roglic to Bora
Evenepoel with Vervaeke and Cattaneo to INEOS
Alaphilippe to AG2R
Van Wilder to Alpecin
Roglic to Bora
Evenepoel with Vervaeke and Cattaneo to INEOS
Alaphilippe to AG2R
Van Wilder to Alpecin
Merger to fall through. Ineos stuck with G.
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Exactly the opposite. F1 began to die when it started to bow to this extremely dumb generation. Drive to Survive is one of the biggest garbage in the world, which has nothing to do with what really happens on the track or between the drivers, lots of fake drama, fabricated narrative. I'm glad at least Max isn't in it and not happy with all this fake stuff.
You can't deny that Drive to Survive has worked wonders for F1's popularity. They tried something similar with the Netflix series on the Tour de France, but they failed spectacularly. Of course these series create their own narratives, but apparently there's something about F1 that appeals to the masses which cycling doesn't have. I don't know what it is, although purely on the basis on these two series, I have to say that Drive to Survive is just better tv
Not sure if it's good for Van Wilder to be on a team with basically no climbers at all.
The problem is that this year's Vuelta might have been made for a stylised TV drama with all the characters in the Jumbo team meetings and so on... but then anybody who gets enthused because of watching that dramatised version and then watches the actual race to see all the neutralisations and formation riding in the climactic stages... why would you come back? A lot of the storyline of the last few days of the Vuelta was about people being willing to trade the on-bike action for the happy ending. And they got their moment of Sepp Kuss standing on the podium in Madrid with the trophy - but at the expense of the actual race itself. So a tarted up version might look good for Hollywood purposes, but the actual racing product was hot trash.
This is the same problem F1 has. People might be drawn in by a dramatised version which you can stylise afterwards to make it look like there was drama and intrigue, but when the audience that has been attracted by that version comes to watch the actual product and realises it sucks and is repetitive, the issue is keeping that audience.
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While alienating the hardcore motorsport/F1 fans
Fun fact, Bottas is racing the European Gravel Championships today.
gravel: an overhyped racing where brands and marketing expert nailed their goal. get clicks and sell stuff.
big meh, sorry
Being both a motorsportsfan and a cycling fan for +40 years I would say today's pro road cycling is way more competitive speaking core excitement just watching the action itself than ever before.You can't deny that Drive to Survive has worked wonders for F1's popularity. They tried something similar with the Netflix series on the Tour de France, but they failed spectacularly. Of course these series create their own narratives, but apparently there's something about F1 that appeals to the masses which cycling doesn't have. I don't know what it is, although purely on the basis on these two series, I have to say that Drive to Survive is just better tv
So watchable that a Netflix series couldn't have done better.
While F1 is a completely different story.
Now very little legal room for pioneering designs, all cars looking identical, loads of nanny electronic aids, not leaving much behind the wheel between man and machine, perfect race circuit surfaces and boundaries, acres of run-off areas, forgiving curbs, scrutineered-for-years optimized aerodynamics meaning race cars glued to road surface and one and same 'perfect' spoiling wake raigh making it impossible for proper overtakes and at some point decisions about the need of DRS zones in order to spice things artificially up and now the past decade with an awakened sense of justice combined with confused stewards and officials so the tension is greatest in post race legal decisions.
I'm so sick of it, that I'd prefer about 33-37 other motorsport series before I'll go watching a full F1 GP weekend 1:1 again and just glad that I witnessed F1 from late 1970ies to start 90ies packed with Grand Prix events where the handful were left to the pilots behind the wheels on non-optimal tracks with plenty of consequence, in addition to the far more unexpected nature of fragile race car engines, oil leaks, mechanics etc. and naturally mostly no-nonsense decisions, best part before pit radio introduction, leaving even more up to the driver on own hand speaking immediate decisions under changing race conditions and nursing the fragile beauties.
*edit* this goes fully as well when filtering out all the unfortunate dark outcomes, of which ofcourse were a way larger part of racing by the time (thought I had to state this clearly knowing a huge hord being eager for disqualifying the good times with reason of lack of safety).
So, speaking present state of F1 a Netflix sensitive melodrama makes fully sense for attracting newcomers.
Whereas today's pro road cycling is selling itself.
For instance my niece. Never understood the idea of watching cycling, until she one day last year watched a oneday race (don't remember which one, a semi-classic I think) and she was hooked. IMO so much more exciting than when I started watcing with a very fixed hierarchy of Un Patron and rest of riders were not much more than water carriers (*edit2* OK I really liked and severely miss the time before DS radio contact, often delivering races where the cunning cheated the less cunning, but apart from that).
Besides today we are gifted with Patrons like Pogi and Remco delivering the full monty show unfiltered.
The only aber-dabai being where today's cycling commentators make the races boring and uninteresting by yelling too much and puncturing the balloon in soulless analysis, where the story is right before their eyes to be told in the right way, so only reason for a Netflix narrator having to repair on that part IMO.
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Haven't watched a second of it, and don't feel particularly alienated by it. Don't see how a cycling version could cause any harm, as long as someone's willing to pay to produce it.
Wasn't DtS just lightning in a bottle which led to expectations for any other such TV show being stupendously high?
The tennis series also had pretty mixed reception IIRC, but the problem there was so obvious in that none of the Big 3 players were involved.
The tennis series also had pretty mixed reception IIRC, but the problem there was so obvious in that none of the Big 3 players were involved.
As far as increasing popularity goes, yes they did. It didn't exactly set the Netflix most watched charts alight.
I hope the Amazon story is true . Such a high profile wealthy sponsor would be great for cycling . With Lidl already in the peloton maybe we could get more retailers and less Arab money. If Amazon are interested it is in no small way because of the Vuelta this year imo. Sponsors like a Sepp Kuss rider and even more when he wins
Nah, they all want Big D*** Sepp. It’s like when Nick Foles won the Superbowl.
Maybe Vingegaard now turns into Carson Wentz? That would be funny.
I don’t disagree from a sporting perspective. I’m talking about popularity and marketing opportunities, which bring in the big money.
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They're alienating fans with changes that are largely happening because of netflix zombies in order to keep their attention. Like sprint weekends, three US GPs two of which are boring street circuits, Miami was already a total cringefest but surely Vegas will top that. While the place of several historic tracks in F1 (like Spa) is uncertain
Scrap that. Laporte and Lampaert reluctant to cooperate. In the end beaten by Arnaud De Lie from the team LTD. De Lie sprinting with one leg. No pun intended. Literary sprinting with only one leg.
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