JV and Garmin - paragons of cleanER?

[DirtyWorks]

I don't see many praising Phil Gaimon's work today though. We can't have that.

This is a fair point.

I just checked the CN story comments. Yikes. So many want to believe in TD!!!

 

[blackcat]

This is a fair point.

I just checked the CN story comments. Yikes. So many want to believe in TD!!!

good coffee

 

[Energy Starr]

I just checked the CN story comments. Yikes. So many want to believe in TD!!!

I'm thinking people can't honestly believe, it's more like they just don't care about the doping.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm thinking people can't honestly believe, it's more like they just don't care about the doping.

Maybe Thom Wiesel could close his eyes (TD's not Lance) and give this guy the sports fraud treatment? Can TD get on a podium and proclaim, "I'm on my bike 6 hours a day.. What are you on?" The old Hollywood trope, "The plan is so crazy it just might work!!!" seems appropriate somehow.

Per the Gaimon reminder, let's be fair to others on the squad, the other teams weren't going to just give them the win and there's some reason to believe there is at least Gaimon riding cleans. But, TD? Not a fan.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, but how talented is the Utah peloton?

Is there anyone who could take a mountain stage, either in a break, or with the GC riders, in any of the grand tours?

There aint, apart from Danielson and Horner. Theres ya answer folks

 

[del1962]

yeah, but how talented is the Utah peloton?

Is there anyone who could take a mountain stage, either in a break, or with the GC riders, in any of the grand tours?

There aint, apart from Danielson and Horner. Theres ya answer folks

Kelderman and Evans (maybe not now)

 

[blackcat]

Kelderman and Evans (maybe not now)

thanks for correction. yep ur right

 

[M Sport]

Kelderman and Evans (maybe not now)

Give him 5 or 6 more years. Remember when Horner was a little short of Cadel's age now, he was Cadel's domestique, 6 years later he wins a GT. Maybe Cadel could retire and have a rest for a few years and come back re-charged to win the 2020 Vuelta?

 

[DirtyWorks]

yeah, but how talented is the Utah peloton?

Is there anyone who could take a mountain stage, either in a break, or with the GC riders, in any of the grand tours?

There aint, apart from Danielson and Horner. Theres ya answer folks

I agree. But, the field that was there still wasn't just going to give it to them.

 

[Energy Starr]

I agree. But, the field that was there still wasn't just going to give it to them.

Do you guys or gals think there is something something different about racing in America that causes many of the European climbers not to show? Do they just not care about the races? Too much altitude? Or when they do show they don't perform so well....like Froome last year at UPC. What's the deal?

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Do you guys or gals think there is something something different about racing in America that causes many of the European climbers not to show? Do they just not care about the races? Too much altitude? Or when they do show they don't perform so well....like Froome last year at UPC. What's the deal?

Colorado might be a little more competitive, but Utah is only UCI 2.1.

Low ranked race, in the middle of nowhere, no media coverage. Makes for a good holiday/injury recovery race.

 

[I Love To Dope]

the us races are expensive to travel to, stay at, and carry no prestige for riders coming off the tour or getting ready for the vuelta.

 

[pastronef]

wow


Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

I mean, if you going to be treating some doper different then other, you're totally hypocrite hijo de la gran puta. **** Phil too!

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Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

Phil Gaimon is full **** with all his clean tattoo, he constantly picked on Mancebo, but he's kissing Danielson's ***. Go figure that one!

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Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

I wonder what go trough Phil Gaimon's mind Mr soap clean tattoo rider under his arm, working for a doper like Tommy Danielson.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Phil Gaimon @philgaimon · 7 h
Funny how hard you can go when you love the guy you're working for. @tomdanielson @Ride_Argyle


Ben King @BenKing89 · 6 h
That was SO cool! No matter how many excuses there are it's easy to motivate for a guy like @tomdanielson. @Ride_Argyle steam rolled stage 4

http://stevetilford.com/2012/09/06/vaughters-outs-danielson/

Somewhere there is a disconnect ..

 

[Race Radio]

Flaco @JonetHernandez

I would not take anything of what this guy says seriously, he appears to have Tourettes

 

[gooner]

Yeah. I wouldn't take any notice of that guy and the vitriol nonsense he spouts. I learned a long time ago not to listen to him. In one ear out the other.

I got a copy of Phil Gaimon's book yesterday and will start it sometime in the next few days. From what I heard, he doesn't hide from the Danielson association and addresses it full on. I don't see what the problem is.

 

[Race Radio]

I got a copy of Phil Gaimon's book yesterday and will start it sometime in the next few days. From what I heard, he doesn't hide from the Danielson association and addresses it full on.

He does. It is a great book.

 

[mewmewmew13]

He does. It is a great book.

gotta read it!

 

[the sceptic]

wow


Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

I mean, if you going to be treating some doper different then other, you're totally hypocrite hijo de la gran puta. **** Phil too!

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Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

Phil Gaimon is full **** with all his clean tattoo, he constantly picked on Mancebo, but he's kissing Danielson's ***. Go figure that one!

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Flaco @JonetHernandez · 8 ago

I wonder what go trough Phil Gaimon's mind Mr soap clean tattoo rider under his arm, working for a doper like Tommy Danielson.

Hes got a point. Why is Danielson a good doper? He looks to be just as unrepentant as the bad dopers like Di Luca and Lance.

Or does people actually think he is riding clean now?

 

[gooner]

He does. It is a great book.

He could have easily just ignored it and danced around it which might have been the easier thing to do. In the end I don't see the problem. He faces up to it.

I didn't know too much about him before his San Luis performance, only heard of him vaguely previously to that. Looking at him this week in Utah, he's done great work on the front. Betsy mentioned on here he's her favourite rider and he seems an impressive guy by a recent interview I read with him on nyvelocity. Looks like the kind of rider and character we should all want to see succeed in the sport.

I don't think he even used a ghost writer for the book and he's penned this himself which is all the more impressive to add to it.

 

[Digger]

Hes got a point. Why is Danielson a good doper? He looks to be just as unrepentant as the bad dopers like Di Luca and Lance.

Or does people actually think he is riding clean now?

This - Garmin are good 'former' dopers.

Because apparently they are 'repentant.'

How 'repentant' would they be if Jeff hadn't come knocking with the threat of a prison sentence....I didn't see much going on until that happened...

Now others will say JV spoke to Travis in 2004...so why did he get no suspension as that was definitely inside the SOL...JV still has received no suspension.


And that leaves aside the other point - that Tommy, CVDV and Ryder have all ridden better 'clean' than doped. I particularly liked the 'contrition' showed by the likes of CVDV as he moaned about how hard his six month winter ban was...years of doping and he missed a training camp...


As regards Gaimon, tattoos, etc, maybe he is clean, I don't know...but I remember a guy called Michael Barry used to wear an I am clean wristband.



CVDV in 2010 just the time of Landis' revelations:

``It's unfortunate the past keeps getting dug up over and over again,'' Vande Velde said. ``It wipes away all the hard work we have been doing over the last years trying to clean up the sport and being transparent, when things that happened eight years ago keep being brought up.''

`You're not going to believe too much of it, that's for sure,'' Vande Velde said. ``It has been a long stream of lies. I'd like to say I was surprised, but nothing about Floyd surprises me any more.''

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...ash-feels-pain-landis-causing-the-sport-.html

 

[Benotti69]

The one thing about Garmin is they claim to be clean and transparent but when Landis spoke out, Garmin came down on him like a bag full of omerta.

That just doesn't add up for a so called clean team, along with Wiggins blood values for 2009 TdF and Hesjedal's blood values at Giro 2011, which JV conveniently blamed machine error.

Talansky's vehemently defending Armstrong was real clean team talk.

Lots doesn't add up at Garmin.

Smoke and mirrors.

 

[the sceptic]

The one thing about Garmin is they claim to be clean and transparent but when Landis spoke out, Garmin came down on him like a bag full of omerta.

That just doesn't add up for a so called clean team, along with Wiggins blood values for 2009 TdF and Hesjedal's blood values at Giro 2011, which JV conveniently blamed machine error.

Talansky's vehemently defending Armstrong was real clean team talk.

Lots doesn't add up at Garmin.

Smoke and mirrors.

I dont think garmin have a team doping program, they seem to suck a bit too much for that. But I do agree that certain things dont add up.

How is Danielson suddenly so good at his age? And how come he is only good when riding in the US? I call bs.

But here we are, JV and friends celebrating Danielson beating the guy who they think is an obvious doper. Hypocrites.

 

[I Love To Dope]

One thing people should do when they say the Garmin guys are doing better clean than they were when they were on the stuff is remind everyone else who was at the races they did bad at along with who was at the races they did good at.

Wasn't Zabriskie actually turning out worse performances, consistently?

the thing with danielson is that this is what he's always done, "clean" or on the stuff.

from talking with people who know gaimon, i don't think he's a cheat. i just think he's a low paid personality that can't afford someone else to do the pr he desperately needs.

 

[sniper]

I would not take anything of what this guy says seriously, he appears to have Tourettes

not even the part where he says danielson is a doper?
do you have any data to suggest danielson is clean?