JV talks, sort of

[DirtyWorks]

We will see with Sky. Do they become an institution, or go High Road after a few big years?

JV appears to be a very good pitchman, not just the public stuff but all of it. Compare his public actions to a Bryuneel, or Och and I think he is the new, clean cycling the UCI actually would prefer. He lands cycling money and manages cycling controversy. His team puts on a good show all the way around.

Sky/BC hasn't done the same job.

 

[blackcat]

JV appears to be a very good pitchman, not just the public stuff but all of it. Compare his public actions to a Bryuneel, or Och and I think he is the new, clean cycling the UCI actually would prefer. He lands cycling money and manages cycling controversy. His team puts on a good show all the way around.

Sky/BC hasn't done the same job.

nah, but look at the Olympic golds BC have won, and the TdF's Sky have won.

I think Sir Dave is shading JV atm

 

[Digger]

"But this year (2005) was probably the cleanest Tour since the early '90s. It (doping) has decreased enormously since the '95-'96 period." Now, Vaughters estimated about "80-85 percent" of the field is clean.


2005...Lance won...JV knew he was doping.

2005, a year before Puerto. Yes JV really is awesome.

 

[Benotti69]

JV eventually told USADA about Armstrong, but what did he do about the CA doping?

Did Voight and O'Grady deserve to have such lengthy careers and earn a lot of money over their sporting lifetime. O'Grady won a Paris Roubaix FFS? Why did Vaughters not expose his time on CA/Gan?

JV sees doping when it suits.

 

[Digger]

Jv said Stuart's story of doping only once checked out. Until Johan made an idiot of him on twitter about it and exposed how nonsensical it was.

 

[blackcat]

Jv said Stuart's story of doping only once checked out. Until Johan made an idiot of him on twitter about it and exposed how nonsensical it was.

thats hilarious.

the hog showing up JV for the chump he is

 

[sniper]

Some comments from Landis on (former) Garmin employees.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/landis-and-lim-clash-over-cycle-of-lies
Seems Landis is still bitter.

 

[thehog]

Some comments from Landis on (former) Garmin employees.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/landis-and-lim-clash-over-cycle-of-lies
Seems Landis is still bitter.

"Look, for example, at the arguments that were made a few years ago by Jonathan Vaughters. The claim was that the reduced watts/kg which were in the neighbourhood of 6.0 were the proof of clean. If this were true, one has to question whether the current watts/kg of 6.5 and above are proof of doping

Very good reasoning I must say.

If a = true therefore if b > a = false?

 

[sniper]

it's a nice story.
in addition to hesjedal, weltz, vaughters, vandevelde, danielson, etc., allen lim too saw jesus shortly before joining garmin.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

it's a nice story.
in addition to hesjedal, weltz, vaughters, vandevelde, danielson, etc., allen lim too saw jesus shortly before joining garmin.

The line is long.

Now we need Hurricane Betsy to come clean up the mess again.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Some comments from Landis on (former) Garmin employees.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/landis-and-lim-clash-over-cycle-of-lies
Seems Landis is still bitter.

Except those comments were made many years ago, and it only takes 1% improvement per year to go from 6 W/kg to 6.5W/kg.

Marginal gains.

Or something.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Except those comments were made many years ago, and it only takes 1% improvement per year to go from 6 W/kg to 6.5W/kg.

Marginal gains.

Or something.

And if you can go from 5.5 to 6.5 in one year.....well...then why the hell not?

 

[Benotti69]

JV is still obviously 'marginal gaining'..........

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 18h
We don't have the race favorite. We aren't really being talked about. Still, I have a good feeling about MSR tomorrow.

 

[sniper]

lol at Weltz re Bruyneel:

Hesjedal’s director sportif, Johnny Weltz, would talk. Weltz managed US Postal until Bruyneel replaced him at the start of 1999. The former ONCE rider told Cyclingnews that, “Bruyneel made a benefit, he took a risk and it didn’t work so he’s been punished for it.”

how didn't it work?
as in, he got caught so it didn't work?
mkaay.

 

[Benotti69]

lol at Weltz re Bruyneel:

how didn't it work?
as in, he got caught so it didn't work?
mkaay.

I bet most DS would want the money Bruyneel has made from 9 TdFs? Bet JV would take his leg off, well that is what his Business Degree would tell him.


PS JV, care to explain how pollen allergy sufferer Dan Martin on a day of high pollen count managed to climb the Mur with the 2nd fastest time in history?

Pollen gains?

 

[Justinr]

I bet most DS would want the money Bruyneel has made from 9 TdFs? Bet JV would take his leg off, well that is what his Business Degree would tell him.


PS JV, care to explain how pollen allergy sufferer Dan Martin on a day of high pollen count managed to climb the Mur with the 2nd fastest time in history?

Pollen gains?

Salbutamol TUE (or similar)?

 

[Escarabajo]

I bet most DS would want the money Bruyneel has made from 9 TdFs? Bet JV would take his leg off, well that is what his Business Degree would tell him.


PS JV, care to explain how pollen allergy sufferer Dan Martin on a day of high pollen count managed to climb the Mur with the 2nd fastest time in history?

Pollen gains?

So if you are allergic to pollen you pretty much are doomed from competition?

Even if you are doping and you don't take anything against allergies doesn't that affect you anyway?

 

[Benotti69]

So if you are allergic to pollen you pretty much are doomed from competition?

Even if you are doping and you don't take anything against allergies doesn't that affect you anyway?

Dan Martin would regularly complain about allergies from Pollen. Dan MArtin in previous spring seasons was doomed in competitions.

I dont suffer pollen allergies nor do i dope so i cannot answer that hence my question to Vaughters.

I think Dan Martin had operations on his nasal passages to help him. Maybe it worked!

But Martin's performance today (2nd fastest ever climb of Mur) does nothing to persuade me Garmin are different from other teams.

 

[the sceptic]

it would be nice if JV would give an update on his thoughts on speeds vs doping. It was all well and good when everyone were at 5.99w/kg max and slower than in the EPO era, but what about now?

And I am starting to get serious doubts about Dan Martin as well.

 

[Berzin]

I have what one of the best allergy doctors in NYC said were the worst seasonal allergy symptoms he's ever seen in his years of practicing medicine.

I needed surgery for a deviated septum, and along with a once-a-day pill it pretty much quells my seasonal allergies.

So because Dan Martin has bad allergies doesn't mean he couldn't have taken care of the issue.

And let me say that with chronic conditions like allergies, it could take years to find out which regimen works. It all depends on how your body reacts to the potential combination of medications you may need and the quality of health care. Some doctors are great, others are not.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Dan Martin would regularly complain about allergies from Pollen. Dan MArtin in previous spring seasons was doomed in competitions.

But Martin's performance today (2nd fastest ever climb of Mur) does nothing to persuade me Garmin are different from other teams.

The allergy thing is completely ridiculous. Allergies don't just correlate perfectly with pollen count. People can be allergic to different things: grass, trees, dust mold. Unless you know exactly what is in the air, and exactly what a rider is sensitive to, there is just nothing to say about it.

As for 2nd fastest ever, the course was easier this year. No wind on the route. Last time up the Muur was ridden at a very steady pace. Kwiatowski gave a hell of a leadout.

Sure Valv.Piti winning is always going to be suspicious, but given the conditions, there are really no conclusions we can draw from this one.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I have what one of the best allergy doctors in NYC said were the worst seasonal allergy symptoms he's ever seen in his years of practicing medicine.

I needed surgery for a deviated septum, and along with a once-a-day pill it pretty much quells my seasonal allergies.

So because Dan Martin has bad allergies doesn't mean he couldn't have taken care of the issue.

And let me say that with chronic conditions like allergies, it could take years to find out which regimen works. It all depends on how your body reacts to the potential combination of medications you may need and the quality of health care. Some doctors are great, others are not.

I've been to several, and they all eventually told me that there's nothing left to try and it won't get any better than this.

When it hits, I struggle to breathe. I could never be a top athlete because of it, even if I had the physical numbers. And that's with daily medication.

The allergy thing is completely ridiculous. Allergies don't just correlate perfectly with pollen count. People can be allergic to different things: grass, trees, dust mold. Unless you know exactly what is in the air, and exactly what a rider is sensitive to, there is just nothing to say about it.

Even then you can't know. I've been tested for everything under the sun and I'm only allergic to pollen, nothing else.
Yet my good and bad moments bear very little relation to pollen count.

 

[SpannerBender]

......... managed to climb the Mur with the 2nd fastest time in history?

Where did you pluck this stat from?

 

[Netserk]

Where did you pluck this stat from?

Vetooo .

 

[GuyIncognito]

Regardless of what cyclist we're discussing here or my opinon on them, I don't put any stock into times for such short climbs. They tend to vary by wild percentages. I remember a few years back the penultimate climb of the Mur was actually faster than the finishing one, but everyone was fresher so the peloton didn't shred into pieces

Efforts over half an hour, absolutely I put a lot of stuck into the times.