JV talks, sort of

[Benotti69]

Where did you pluck this stat from?

I am not a pheasant plucker, I am the pheasant plucker's son and I am only plucking pheasants till the pheasant plucker comes.

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 4h
#FlecheWallonne, Mur de Huy (1 km)
- Valverde fastest time ever
- Martin 2nd fastest time ever
- Kwiatkowski & Mollema 4th fastest time ever

Valverde 2:41
Martin 2:44
Kwiatkowski, Mollema 2:45
Slagter, J.Vanandert 2:47
Albasini, Kreuziger 2:49

 

[SpannerBender]

Vetooo .

Not sure I agree that Martin was 3 secs slower (2:44) for the last Km. Martin came over the line 3 secs behind VV so he should've been level going under the FR. He was a good few seconds behind though

And thanks for the intro to Vetooo

 

[Benotti69]

Regardless of what cyclist we're discussing here or my opinon on them, I don't put any stock into times for such short climbs. They tend to vary by wild percentages. I remember a few years back the penultimate climb of the Mur was actually faster than the finishing one, but everyone was fresher so the peloton didn't shred into pieces

Efforts over half an hour, absolutely I put a lot of stuck into the times.

Check out the list of names for the record of climbing Mur de Huy and you will see a lot names that turned to pharmaceuticals to assist their performances. It does not bode well.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Check out the list of names for the record of climbing Mur de Huy and you will see a lot names that turned to pharmaceuticals to assist their performances. It does not bode well.

That's like saying 'Froome drives a green car and so did Bugno' so Froome is doping.
Yes, Froome is blatantly doping, but that doesn't follow from the fact above it.

Whether or not Martin is doping isn't affected at all by his time today.

 

[Benotti69]

That's like saying 'Froome drives a green car and so did Bugno' so Froome is doping.

Nope. It is like saying Froome's car is using nitrogen same as Bugno's used.

Yes, Froome is blatantly doping, but that doesn't follow from the fact above it.

Whether or not Martin is doping isn't affected at all by his time today.

I beg to differ. Plenty of anecdotes from the peloton where clean riders couldn't barely hang in with the peloton so for Martin to be able to hang with the dopers and then sprint up the Muur de Huy with the 2nd fastest time in history aint clean riding imo.

Bassons talked about 2 speeds in his day. Fignon too and LeMond. So Martin keeping up and beating all but Piti aint dont on bread and water.

 

[GuyIncognito]

You're completely missing the point as usual.
I can't be bothered explaining again

 

[Netserk]

That's like saying 'Froome drives a green car and so did Bugno' so Froome is doping.
Yes, Froome is blatantly doping, but that doesn't follow from the fact above it.

Whether or not Martin is doping isn't affected at all by his time today.

Does doping make your car green?

Does doping make you climb faster?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You're completely missing the point as usual.
I can't be bothered explaining again

I am pretty sure everyone is missing your point. If you're attempting a logical progression like:

Men have 10 fingers.
Mary has 10 fingers.
Therefore Mary is a man.

You'd be right.

But to say the guys going quick up a short hill have shown to be dopers, and these 2-4 riders just went quick up this short hill, this very same short hill, in fact, is nowhere near the same as comparing which colour car they drive.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I like the colour of Martins dress. Great job by GAR today (Navardauskas, Slagter and Martin).
Congrats JV.

 

[Benotti69]

Vaughters fail

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 10m
In a way, any extra mass in abdomen or arms could limit long TT performances. Extra o2 use

Snakeoil.

 

[Benotti69]

Hey JV, you need to address this:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...st+cheaters+they+criminals/7502237/story.html

You and your boys have not paid for your cheating. Others suffered their ability to compete and further themselves in the sport due to guys like you and those you hired.

I have not seen you tweet about anti doping still being crap while Cookson has been in the job a good 8months now and has had time to turn his attention to cameras on bikes and the world hour record but zilch about anti doping being better funded and made independent. From you silence.

 

[stutue]

At least maybe give us a break and hit the cymbal from time to time....

 

[BYOP88]

Hey JV, you need to address this:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...st+cheaters+they+criminals/7502237/story.html

You and your boys have not paid for your cheating. Others suffered their ability to compete and further themselves in the sport due to guys like you and those you hired.

I have not seen you tweet about anti doping still being crap while Cookson has been in the job a good 8months now and has had time to turn his attention to cameras on bikes and the world hour record but zilch about anti doping being better funded and made independent. From you silence.

Will Routley is the man! All dopers should be banned from the sport for life including JV and the others who've "converted" to the doping is bad shtick, they should all serve jail time and have to pay back all money made whilst cheating.

 

[pmcg76]

Hey JV, you need to address this:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...st+cheaters+they+criminals/7502237/story.html

You and your boys have not paid for your cheating. Others suffered their ability to compete and further themselves in the sport due to guys like you and those you hired.

I have not seen you tweet about anti doping still being crap while Cookson has been in the job a good 8months now and has had time to turn his attention to cameras on bikes and the world hour record but zilch about anti doping being better funded and made independent. From you silence.

Maybe you should address it yourself as that article torpedos your own 'everyone dopes mantra'. He mentions a few times how there are lot's of clean athletes out there.

Don't forget either that Routley rode for Spidertech who when in Europe were based in?........wait for it........Girona

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Maybe you should address it yourself as that article torpedos your own 'everyone dopes mantra'. He mentions a few times how there are lot's of clean athletes out there.

Don't forget either that Routley rode for Spidertech who when in Europe were based in?........wait for it........Girona

Edit: I shouldnt respon to Bike Retards

Mi excuse.

 

[pmcg76]

Edit: I shouldnt respon to Bike Retards

Mi excuse.

Clearly you don't talk to yourself in the mirror then.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe you should address it yourself as that article torpedos your own 'everyone dopes mantra'. He mentions a few times how there are lot's of clean athletes out there.

Yeah like him, but they are not in Europe.

Don't forget either that Routley rode for Spidertech who when in Europe were based in?........wait for it........Girona

And where did Routley's career go because he refused to dope?

 

[pmcg76]

Yeah like him, but they are not in Europe.



And where did Routley's career go because he refused to dope?

Wait a second, in the TP thread you said cycling was dirty top to bottom, where is the bottom exactly? In case you didn't know Routley rode in Europe and just won a stage at California ahead of a lot of Euro pros.

Maybe Routley just isn't that talented. Just because you don't dope doesn't mean you are the most talented athlete out there.

 

[Benotti69]

Wait a second, in the TP thread you said cycling was dirty top to bottom, where is the bottom exactly? In case you didn't know Routley rode in Europe and just won a stage at California ahead of a lot of Euro pros.

Euro pros at ToC are really trying hard. Didn't Sagan win all the stages last year bar 2

So if less than 1% dont dope, how many would that be? 10, 20, 30. That to me is dirty top to bottom.

Do you believe DI Luca when he says 95% dope? Do dopers admit to clean guys they dope? Not since Festina, i guess.

Maybe Routley just isn't that talented. Just because you don't dope doesn't mean you are the most talented athlete out there.

How can he know his true talent if he is riding against dopers? When a rider finds out he has to ride against dopers the job gets harder.

You want to believe there are plenty of clean riders out there in a sport where the culture is to dope, goodluck with that thinking. If the sport was not so dirty why all the scandals. Why is Phinney giving out about finishing bottles? If finishing bottles get banned tomorrow, will the riders accept no more finishing bottles or move onto the next thing? They move onto the next thing. WADA are a decade behind the doping. Riis is going to tell his guys, dont dope to win, look what happende to Bjarne, he got rich and no sanctions, dont do it? Lefevere the same! Yeah sure they are. Even JV is making a packet and never paid for his cheating, neither did any of his dopers.

Get real and see the sport for the doping that goes on and only the few get punished.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wait a second, in the TP thread you said cycling was dirty top to bottom, where is the bottom exactly? In case you didn't know Routley rode in Europe and just won a stage at California ahead of a lot of Euro pros.

Maybe Routley just isn't that talented. Just because you don't dope doesn't mean you are the most talented athlete out there.

no, you have to ride 4km quick on the track before you are allowed to win 3000km races.

apparently.

 

[pmcg76]

no, you have to ride 4km quick on the track before you are allowed to win 3000km races.

apparently.

Can you guys possibly leave SKY out of a thread for once, it's ridiculous how every single thread gets turned into Froome, Wiggins, SKY. I am not a SKY defender but it is still silly how they seemingly get dragged into everything.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

so Danielson, is he finally riding clean or still on the juice?

 

[BYOP88]

so Danielson, is he finally riding clean or still on the juice?

Dude, he's been clean for 8 years just like everyone else

 

[Ferminal]

Maybe. Even when DZ was "clean" he would make special effort to juice up for California.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Can you guys possibly leave SKY out of a thread for once, it's ridiculous how every single thread gets turned into Froome, Wiggins, SKY. I am not a SKY defender but it is still silly how they seemingly get dragged into everything.

This is a win post.