JV talks, sort of

[the sceptic]

Dude. He's asked me a lot of questions. Don't get upset. Just restate which one and I'll answer.

Do you still maintain that the peloton is cleaner these days and that speeds are slower? What do you make of certain riders going faster than Armstrong?

 

[Benotti69]

Dude. He's asked me a lot of questions. Don't get upset. Just restate which one and I'll answer.

The one you where your mature response was to call him a dunce!

Not upset. But if you keep playing this little game it damages me more than you. Remember i dont run a WT team, you are supposed too......

 

[Netserk]

Apropos speeds. Measured by your 20 rider on the last climb thing, which of 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 were the fastest and slowest years? Did it get slower each year?

 

[gooner]

Andrew McQuaid doesn't like Shane's choice of words.

Andrew McQuaid @andrewmcquaid · 15h
Shane @SSbike you've been insulted on twitter #dunce, yet you think it is ok to call people super mutants? #realjournalism

I see Richie Porte favourited the tweet. If I'm not mistaken, I think Andrew is his agent.

https://twitter.com/andrewmcquaid/status/477219445564518400

 

[Benotti69]

Andrew McQuaid doesn't like Shane's choice of words.



I see Richie Porte favourited the tweet. If I'm not mistaken, I think Andrew is his agent.

https://twitter.com/andrewmcquaid/status/477219445564518400

Andrew McQuaid not a 'voice' that has any cred...........

 

[JV1973]

The one you where you mature response was to call him a dunce!

Not upset. But if you keep playing this little game it damages me more than you. Remember i dont run a WT team, you are supposed too......

Ok, he was asking me how it was possible Froome rode at 6.9w/kg up Madone.

There are three possibilities:

1. Motor on his bike.

2. Serious o2 vector doping.

3. 92vo2 max utilizing 92% of which at MSS, and an efficiency of around 85w/liter of o2. All of which, on their own, are plausible. Put together? I've never seen it in an athlete, however, I refuse to discount that it is possible. All the components are possible individually, so there's no absolute reason it's impossible.


Which one is the right answer? I don't know. Chris Froome does.



JV

 

[the sceptic]

Andrew McQuaid doesn't like Shane's choice of words.



I see Richie Porte favourited the tweet. If I'm not mistaken, I think Andrew is his agent.

https://twitter.com/andrewmcquaid/status/477219445564518400

Maybe he should sue the clinic too

 

[hrotha]

Ok, he was asking me how it was possible Froome rode at 6.9w/kg up Madone.

There are three possibilities:

1. Motor on his bike.

2. Serious o2 vector doping.

3. 92vo2 max utilizing 92% of which at MSS, and an efficiency of around 85w/liter of o2. All of which, on their own, are plausible. Put together? I've never seen it in an athlete, however, I refuse to discount that it is possible. All the components are possible individually, so there's no absolute reason it's impossible.


Which one is the right answer? I don't know. Chris Froome does.

How do you reckon a 23-year-old with all those components would have performed in the allegedly already cleaner peloton of circa 2008? Wouldn't you say someone so freakishly good would have got impressive results from the beginning, if only in the kinds of races where tactics and positioning are less important?

 

[JV1973]

Apropos speeds. Measured by your 20 rider on the last climb thing, which of 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 were the fastest and slowest years? Did it get slower each year?

Trend line starting in 1995 would generally be slower over the years, with bumps. Ross Tucker graphs this really well. Check out his work.

2010-2013? 2013 would be faster on the mean. Almost certainly.

I no longer sit on the cadf board, so I don't have access to median blood values if peloton like I used to. So, I can't say if there is a hematological trend that follows 2013 being faster or if it is divergent from the hematological trend.

I don't think so, but have no way of knowing any longer. My last year on cadf was 2012.

JV

 

[gooner]

Andrew McQuaid not a 'voice' that has any cred...........

Agree but the point still remains, shouting from the roof tops on twitter is not sports journalism. In fact that's someone that is trying to be seen as doing his job rather than actually doing it. Featured opinion pieces, turning up at races and holding people to account is.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

JV, there is a lot of attention regarding Froome using an inhaler on a climb. In your years of cycling how common would you say it is for someone to use one during a race?

 

[thehog]

Agree but the point still remains, shouting from the roof tops on twitter is not sports journalism. In fact that's someone that is trying to be seen as doing his job rather than actually doing it. Featured opinion pieces, turning up at races and holding people to account is.

You mean like Walsh absent from the Tour for 9 years and the writes Inside Sky? followed by writing The Climb sitting across the dinner table looking into Chris's eyes?

GoonerBot you do go on...

 

[Benotti69]

Ok, he was asking me how it was possible Froome rode at 6.9w/kg up Madone.

There are three possibilities:

1. Motor on his bike.

2. Serious o2 vector doping.

3. 92vo2 max utilizing 92% of which at MSS, and an efficiency of around 85w/liter of o2. All of which, on their own, are plausible. Put together? I've never seen it in an athlete, however, I refuse to discount that it is possible. All the components are possible individually, so there's no absolute reason it's impossible.


Which one is the right answer? I don't know. Chris Froome does.



JV

Ta.

The right answer is obvious. The doping culture is still as strong as ever.

Froome is a doper. If he wasnt Sky would be showing us they have the greatest natural talent who ever threw his leg over a bike, but they aren't and it is because he isn't. We have been here so many times before.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I think it's extremely unlikely. And I think the test if time will prove that.

In the interim, do I have anything that says this isn't possible? Nope.

Just faith and years of looking blood values. Both of which are continuously debated.

Hi, JV. I have a question for you related to this response. First, do you agree that Froome's rise to GT winner is a bit odd? I've done some analysis based on time trial data over his career, and there was a significant and permanent change during Romandie, 2011. Do you agree that there's a possibility that he's doping?

Second, based on blood values, I would defer to your knowledge and agree that oxygen vector doping isn't happening very much these days. Do you think that there could be something new out there? Perhaps something that affects the metabolic pathways?

Thanks.

John Swanson

 

[gooner]

JV, there is a lot of attention regarding Froome using an inhaler on a climb. In your years of cycling how common would you say it is for someone to use one during a race?

Dan Martin has asthma.

JV, has he used an inhaler during a race before?

 

[Benotti69]

Agree but the point still remains, shouting from the roof tops on twitter is not sports journalism. In fact that's someone that is trying to be seen as doing his job rather than actually doing it. Featured opinion pieces, turning up at races and holding people to account is.

Shouting abuse from the rooftops on twitter is neither becoming of team owners who want to retain some credibility.

But then again when did this sport ever have any shred of credibility in the last 50years!!!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Do you agree that there's a possibility that he's doping?

Surely, there is a possibility that anyone is/was doping and it's really the probability that we are interested in?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Shouting abuse from the rooftops on twitter is neither becoming of team owners who want to retain some credibility.

But then again when did this sport ever have any shred of credibility in the last 50years!!!

So you don't think guys like Greg Lemond, Christophe Bassons, Charly Mottet and Gilles Delion are credible?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Well, I'm not going to paint anyone into a corner and get them to say in public "I think he's doping". That would be impossible for someone in JV's position. I just read his take on Froome's Madone ride and that's about as clear and diplomatic as he can get on the subject.

John Swanson

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Well, I'm not going to paint anyone into a corner and get them to say in public "I think he's doping". That would be impossible for someone in JV's position. I just read his take on Froome's Madone ride and that's about as clear and diplomatic as he can get on the subject.

John Swanson

Fair comment.

 

[gooner]

You mean like Walsh absent from the Tour for 9 years and the writes Inside Sky? followed by writing The Climb sitting across the dinner table looking into Chris's eyes?

GoonerBot you do go on...

Walsh is a sports journalist, cycling is a small part of his work, something you and many others on here actually forget. Rugby World Cups, golf, athletics etc over the years. The same with Kimmage who since going back to work at the Sunday Independent has written little if nothing at all on cycling since the Tour last year. That's understandable on his part, he has other sports to cover.

Someone like Shane is a designated 100% cycling journalists all year round so I do think more should be expected of himself and others like him.

So yes there is a big difference.

Still looking forward to Froome going full *** in the Tour like you said last year. You're probably licking your lips with delight for tomorrow.

Enjoy the show "Twitter hero".

 

[JV1973]

How do you reckon a 23-year-old with all those components would have performed in the allegedly already cleaner peloton of circa 2008? Wouldn't you say someone so freakishly good would have got impressive results from the beginning, if only in the kinds of races where tactics and positioning are less important?

Logically, you would think such a rider would perform very well.

I get your point and, objectively, I cannot dismiss your point. It's valid.

However, I have observed broad variations in what I'll call "adaptive talent", meaning some people adapt to high training loads much better than others, who may have higher baseline numbers. As a rider, I, personally, had very high baseline numbers, but poor adaptive talent.

So, I can't discount the possibility that Froome has very high adaptive talent. Although I can't say it's definitely the case either.

JV.

 

[Benotti69]

So you don't think guys like Greg Lemond, Christophe Bassons, Charly Mottet and Gilles Delion are credible?

Have these been shouting abuse on twitter?

I dont read LeMond, Bassons, Motter nor Delon on twitter, do they abuse people?

 

[ruamruam]

Walsh is a sports journalist, cycling is a small part of his work, something you and many others on here actually forget. Rugby World Cups, golf, athletics etc over the years. The same with Kimmage who since going back to work at the Sunday Independent has written little if nothing at all on cycling since the Tour last year. That's understandable on his part, he has other sports to cover.

Someone like Shane is a designated 100% cycling journalists all year round so I do think more should be expected of himself and others like him.

So yes there is a big difference.

Still looking forward to Froome going full *** in the Tour like you said last year. You're probably licking your lips with delight for tomorrow.

Enjoy the show "Twitter hero".

In cycling terms Walsh is no longer a journalist, he's a PR agent. No serious journalist could write the tripe he has been writing recently.

 

[Benotti69]

Logically, you would think such a rider would perform very well.

I get your point and, objectively, I cannot dismiss your point. It's valid.

However, I have observed broad variations in what I'll call "adaptive talent", meaning some people adapt to high training loads much better than others, who may have higher baseline numbers. As a rider, I, personally, had very high baseline numbers, but poor adaptive talent.

So, I can't discount the possibility that Froome has very high adaptive talent. Although I can't say it's definitely the case either.

JV.

Can we also call 'adaptive talent', 'PED response'?