JV talks, sort of

[JV1973]

Noticed that JV has been for another visit and the usual , tried to discourage his contributions !
So there are those who inhabit this forum that haver no wish , for more DSor Team Manager , to visit and pass us facts ? Seems that the anonymous prefer their fantasies to fact !

The article JV created , y/day in C/News , does not wish to have people contribute to the discussion . Banality is allowed , but the following , posted 6 times , still remains invisible to other readers ! CENSORSHP ?

Tried entering this comment on the C/News article 6 times , each time " mods " deleted ! EXPLAIN WHY ! Discrimination OR trying to curry favour with UCI ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/jo...e-armstrong-and-heres-how-we-can-fight-doping



Good to see JV , take the time to add his input to the debate , although why he should have to defend himself from those anonymous parties , with an axe to grind , is disappointing . Perhaps it is the reason for other DS's and Team Managers avoiding , revealing their thoughts about the current morass , in which this Sport is bogged down ?

" Pleased to see JV , " OWNING the PROBLEM "! Amazed to see Roger L. talking through his hat about suing anyone for coping his example ! MPCC , seems to be composed of nothing other than " The ole boys club " , intent on deflecting blame foe their continuing inability to look at themselves in the mirror !

10% of a Team's budget , protecting the Health of the Athletes , is not a heavy price to pay , if it encourages more Sponsorship ! Separating " Doping Control from UCI , has been called on for some time ! Why does the " Fox get to guard the Chicken shed "?

Currently we have a Sport , where ANY Outsider , thinks ALL Racers are PIED users . Shamateurs can choose to use these products but WE , the Public , have to believe that Sport can be clean , otherwise we can go to the Movies and see better entertainment !

Whilst the aigle tag team duo , are allowed by the UCI Delegates on the Executive Committee , to stay in Office , little will change ! Write your Country Delegate , Display your disgust that they do not ACT , to remove the Stain on their character , that is so apparent to ALL !

The following are NOT ALL squeeky clean , but that is the risk we will have to accept for present :

Mike Plant membership@usacycling.org usa

Attn Hee Wook Cho cycling@sports.or.kr korea

Attn Renato Di Rocco Presdenza@federciclismo.it italy

Artur Lopes geral@uvp-fpc.pt portugal

Mohamed Wagih Azzam Egypt_cycling@hotmail.com egypt

Daniel Baal dbaal.cycling@ymail.com france

Jose Manuel Pelaez panaci@enet,cu cuba

Sheik FaisalBin Humaid Al Qassimi info@uaecf.ae uae

brian cookson info@britishcycling.org.uk uk

david Lappartient presidency@ffc.fr france

Mohamed Jamel Louafi ftc@planet.tn tunisia

igor Makarov cycling@roc.ru russia

Peder Pedersen dcu@dcu-cykling.dk denmark

NOTHING VENTURED , nothing GAINED !

Thanks to JV's admissions , the Sport of Cycling has to ACT !

Thanks Skippy, much appreciated.

I'm leaving for a few weeks trip, so this is the last post for a while.

JV

 

[Jeremiah]

Looking forward to it.....


.....so when are you going to dismantle my nonsense?

This is very simple, JVs story was the same in 2006, what changed was that Armstrong was finally exposed.


Ya, I am sure JV thinks I am a great fanboy particularly as it was me that started a thread 2 years ago asking why he would not come clean on his own past.

And that's why I now understand JVs position. He admitted he had his confession written for years - but he had to wait until Armstrong and his mob were declawed before he could finally make it public.
I always knew Armstrong was vindictive but even I had underestimated how much so until the full extent of his fraud was exposed.

Oh ok. So Armstrong doesn't come back and he never gets "exposed?"

 

[peterst6906]

Oh ok. So Armstrong doesn't come back and he never gets "exposed?"

Even Armstrong realises the truth of that.

 

[Jeremiah]

I met with Walsh in 2003, USADA in 2004, WADA in 2006. First ex-pro cyclist ever to do so, on all three accounts.

Oh, and Juliet Macur of NYT in 2006... NYT could not have run Frankie story, unless it was corroborated by another source...As to say, had i told Juliet to get lost, the story would not have ran.

Man, if you guys only knew everything that has gone on, you'd stop viewing me as you do. (I don't mean this in any self glorifying way, I'm just frustrated by the lack of information that is out to you guys. That will change with time)

Dr Mas: Sorry to use your quote, was actually responding to the same stuff you were.

Why anonymous with the Macur story?

You were advised by investigators/WADA/USADA not to comment?

You're frustrated with the lack of information out to us?

 

[Jeremiah]

Even Armstrong realises the truth of that.

I don't understand what you're getting at. My comment was in response to Dr. Maserati's contention that JV could not go public until Armstrong was exposed.

And after all, this is the "JV Talks-sort of" thread which I did not start...

 

[TheNemesis]

I met with Walsh in 2003, USADA in 2004, WADA in 2006. First ex-pro cyclist ever to do so, on all three accounts.

Oh, and Juliet Macur of NYT in 2006... NYT could not have run Frankie story, unless it was corroborated by another source...As to say, had i told Juliet to get lost, the story would not have ran.

Man, if you guys only knew everything that has gone on, you'd stop viewing me as you do. (I don't mean this in any self glorifying way, I'm just frustrated by the lack of information that is out to you guys. That will change with time)

Dr Mas: Sorry to use your quote, was actually responding to the same stuff you were.

Where I think you differ from "Dr Mas" is on the idea it was essential to expose Armstrong for cycling to clean up. The reality is you thought this type of explosive inquiry could be very dangerous for the sport and your team. You needed it like a hole in the head. In the long run, you expected it to come out, but not like this with all the heartache it's caused the sport, potentially compromising your clean team's reputation in the process. It's a bit misleading to imply Armstrong is what was stopping you coming out personally. In the end, Tyler's book pushed you to do it publicly. I know you haven't claimed this, but it appears to have been claimed on your behalf and you haven't done anything to contradict it. I don't blame you for not coming out btw. Like you, I don't think the USADA investigation was utterly necessary for cycling to change, but we may as well make the best of it now and use it to implement greater and faster change.

 

[TheNemesis]

I don't understand what you're getting at. My comment was in response to Dr. Maserati's contention that JV could not go public until Armstrong was exposed.

And after all, this is the "JV Talks-sort of" thread which I did not start...

The reason why people often say JV is political is because it's quite easy for people to believe is 100% with them, when in fact it's not quite the case. I don't think this is his fault, but his ability to see all sides of an issue leaves people a bit confused sometimes, like Dr Mas.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Where I think you differ from "Dr Mas" is on the idea it was essential to expose Armstrong for cycling to clean up. The reality is you thought this type of explosive inquiry could be very dangerous for the sport and your team. You needed it like a hole in the head. In the long run, you expected it to come out, but not like this with all the heartache it's caused the sport, potentially compromising your clean team's reputation in the process. It's a bit misleading to imply Armstrong is what was stopping you coming out personally. In the end, Tyler's book pushed you to do it publicly. I know you haven't claimed this, but it appears to have been claimed on your behalf and you haven't done anything to contradict it. I don't blame you for not coming out btw. Like you, I don't think the USADA investigation was utterly necessary for cycling to change, but we may as well make the best of it now and use it to implement greater and faster change.

Hey BPC, it is snipers job to misrepresent what JV says.
And the Armstrong threads are over there >>>>

 

[TheNemesis]

Hey BPC, it is snipers job to misrepresent what JV says.
And the Armstrong threads are over there >>>>

I was really correcting your misinterpretation, not his. I know for a fact JV was not pleased about the USADA investigation at the time. Although he was always intent on cooperating with it fully from the outset - how could he not? - it was not his preferred option. And why would it be? He knew it could cause huge unnecessary damage, be very divisive and potentially ruin the hardwon reputation of his team as the cleanest in the peloton. In the end his team must have come out of it better than he imagined, but the sport has still taken a huge knock. Nor has vaughter's ever seen stripping Armstrong as essential for the sport to change. That's something you believe, not him. He believed it would always come out, but not like this. On these issues, he is at odds with people like you. That doesn't mean to say he is not sincere about wanting to use the situation to improve the sport. He is. And now that we have gone down this root, we may as well do it properly and allow everybody to come out - not witch hunt a hand full of guys and one in particular. I agree with him.

(BPC?)

 

[D-Queued]

... I know for a fact JV was not pleased about the USADA investigation at the time. ...

(BPC?)

Source?

Dave.

 

[sittingbison]

I was really correcting your misinterpretation, not his. I know for a fact JV was not pleased about the USADA investigation at the time. Although he was always intent on cooperating with it fully from the outset - how could he not? - it was not his preferred option. And why would it be?...

hmmmm....we have JV appearing on this very thread, and chatting on twitter, to tell us what JV thinks. Are you a mind reader?

 

[V3R1T4S]

Hey BPC, it is snipers job to misrepresent what JV says.
And the Armstrong threads are over there >>>>

I realize this is an exercise in futility but what I don't get is why he or she has to use the exact same style of username, yet alone same language style, every.single.time.

I suppose in some sense they are doing us a service as a quick glance at the username and confirmation by reading the first sentence is all one needs to go straight to the ignore list.

 

[sniper]

Hey BPC, it is snipers job to misrepresent what JV says.
And the Armstrong threads are over there >>>>

I'm more of a lurker these days though.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

John,

I'm not going to get into details. as I've been asked to let this go, by a friend of Trent's. So, I'm going to let it go.

But, I would kindly ask that you consider that there are two sides to every story.

As for your "JV, you can't lead cycling..." Did I ever say I wanted to? Ever?

If you want LeMond or David Walsh to lead cycling, great! Go tell them. Have you ever met them? You should, if you have the chance, they are both good people.

JV

My understanding is that you are associated with plans to create a "breakaway" league. That certainly sounds like taking de facto leadership of pro cycling. I highlighted your management of Trent as an example of why I think this is not the best idea. I agree that there are two sides to every story and that you may have been correct about the situation. But you did not manage it well. I do not believe that you would manage pro cycling well.

And no, I don't think LeMond or Walsh would be ideal candidates to lead pro cycling, but they have shown themselves to have the necessary character that the sport sorely needs.

John Swanson

 

[D-Queued]

My understanding is that you are associated with plans to create a "breakaway" league. That certainly sounds like taking de facto leadership of pro cycling. I highlighted your management of Trent as an example of why I think this is not the best idea. I agree that there are two sides to every story and that you may have been correct about the situation. But you did not manage it well. I do not believe that you would manage pro cycling well.

And no, I don't think LeMond or Walsh would be ideal candidates to lead pro cycling, but they have shown themselves to have the necessary character that the sport sorely needs.

John Swanson

Being associated with something, or even supportive - which you did not claim, and de facto leadership of it are not mutually inclusive.

Your arguments might be better served to wait until, or if, JV declares his candidacy,

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

My understanding is that you are associated with plans to create a "breakaway" league. That certainly sounds like taking de facto leadership of pro cycling.

IMHO, the breakaway league won't get started. Hein and Pat are trying to shut JV and Co. out.

Once the format became public knowledge, it seems Pat and Hein found a willing sucker with the guy who funds OPQS and, of course, ASO/RCS are on-board as it has been suggested they become the exclusive promoters in this new format. CN posted a story on the OPQS guy and Hein signing some memorandum on it.

This isn't new. Pat and Hein have always envied closed sports like the U.S. NBA and NFL.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nawww poor thing.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Given it was years ago, any chance you can enlighten the fans on what your ground-breaking training techniques were?

Did it involve EPO at all?

http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff

In 2003, at only 30 years old, Jonathan decided to step away from a successful, but tough professional cycling career. He was perhaps young to retire, but clearly had maximized his abilities at a somewhat earlier age than most through ground-breaking training techniques, and extreme focus. In his 10 years as a professional cyclist he set the record up Mount Ventoux, and was an integral part of the winning team time trial squad in stage 5 of the 2001 Tour de France. Nonetheless, at 30, he decided to dedicate more time to his growing family, and to the business aspect of the fastest growing sport in the US.

 

[Granville57]

Given it was years ago, any chance you can enlighten the fans on what your ground-breaking training techniques were?

Did it involve EPO at all?

Good lord, JV. You really included this line as part of your "Official" Garmin bio?

...he set the record up Mount Ventoux

W.T.F.?!?!?!

 

[Granville57]

Given it was years ago, any chance you can enlighten the fans on what your ground-breaking training techniques were?

Yeah, the question bears repeating.

 

[peterst6906]

Yeah, the question bares repeating.

Given the era, it was probably the lack of EPO that was groundbreaking...

On a serious note though, it is a good question.

 

[blackcat]

Given it was years ago, any chance you can enlighten the fans on what your ground-breaking training techniques were?

Did it involve EPO at all?

pinch of alchemy to pinch results

 

[Granville57]

Given the era, it was probably the lack of EPO that was groundbreaking...

On a serious note though, it is a good question.

It also "bears" repeating.

 

[rata de sentina]

Nawww poor thing.

Dear Wiggo = stalker starting to get toey because the object of his obsession has cottoned on to him at last and is ignoring him

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Dear Wiggo = stalker starting to get toey because the object of his obsession has cottoned on to him at last and is ignoring him

You're on a roll of quality posts. Good job. Getting a bit projectiony though.