JV talks, sort of

[blackcat]

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[Moose McKnuckles]

Ultimately, if my kid were old enough and had a chance to go pro, I'd rather he go on Garmin than any other team. Maybe FdJ too.

Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem much more believable than say, Sky, Saxo, Movistar and others. I won't even mention Katusha and Festana.

 

[the delgados]

Ultimately, if my kid were old enough and had a chance to go pro, I'd rather he go on Garmin than any other team. Maybe FdJ too.

Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem much more believable than say, Sky, Saxo, Movistar and others. I won't even mention Katusha and Festana.

Why would you want your kid to to enter a sport that's inherenty corrupt?

Do you really think Ryder won the Giro clean?

 

[Galic Ho]

Ultimately, if my kid were old enough and had a chance to go pro, I'd rather he go on Garmin than any other team. Maybe FdJ too.

Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem much more believable than say, Sky, Saxo, Movistar and others. I won't even mention Katusha and Festana.

If your kids surname was Talansky would that change?

There is a reason Greg Lemond stopped his sons from taking up cycling. Dare say they could have made decent pros. Maybe not as good as dad, but still good enough to make the grade. Oh but cycling has changed these days...my bad, I am forgetting revisionist history is dictating the terms now. My bad.

Of course people can ride clean now! Parents should force their kids to become pros and what not. They'll all make lots of money won't they? Oh wait, not on JV's budget right? But if they went to Sky it's all GO GO GO!

 

[blackcat]

did he have a shower?

 

[blackcat]

If your kids surname was Talansky would that change?

talent sky

 

[V3R1T4S]

Collegiate Racing

Btw - i'm not a DS. I'm a grad school student. and I manage slipstream sports, but I actually won't ds any races.

Why don't you come out and do a collegiate cycling race or two?

Seriously.

 

[Galic Ho]

talent sky

Nice pun. Nice.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well played by blackcat.

No, I don't want my kid to become a pro cyclist. I'm saying IF that's what he wanted to do.

 

[frenchfry]

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

When the "marginal gains" provided by EPO were discovered by cyclists, they were all over it. Almost 100% of them jumped on the bandwagon.

If the "marginal gains" provided by warming down are so significant, how come the forward looking riders who used EPO are now so backwards?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ultimately, if my kid were old enough and had a chance to go pro, I'd rather he go on Garmin than any other team. Maybe FdJ too.

Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem much more believable than say, Sky, Saxo, Movistar and others. I won't even mention Katusha and Festana.

Even after the way you've seen JV treat the riders? NO thanks. Riis all the way for me.

 

[Mr.38%]

Sorry for the rude interruption of your map exercise. As a father, I'd be more concerned with the amateur teams and especially the first CT team. If you look a bit closer, there are the differences.

And chances are really low to step up in the highest heights of WT racing.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Parents should force their kids to become pros and what not.

Doping is actually a very small consideration in whether as a parent one might support/encourage your kids to pursue elite sport.

Firstly, the odds are that this pursuit will be unsuccessful, no matter how hard you train or whatever unconventional preparations one might adopt. Most aspiring pro sportsmen end up in their mid 20s wondering where it all went wrong, with maybe a couple of good days to remember and the rest of their lives to lead. Encouraging your kids to engage in something that will almost certainly result in epic failure is not really a good thing.

Secondly, and most importantly, to be in with a chance of success, one has to start young and dedicate so much time to training, travelling and competition that school work most likely suffers. This compounds the first problem, in that the unsuccessful ex-child has the rest of their life to lead with a compromised education.

The chance of having to make the decision as to whether to dope or not to make it a pro will affect very few folk indeed compared to the numbers who face the real psychological and educational risks of embarking on a serious effort to become a pro in the first place.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Can I ask, why is it hurtful to you?

Because quite frankly, it is easy to see that the 2 or 3 detractors here have no coherent point. They need to look through some tweet you sent to some person who asked some random question to misquote you.
I think they are only getting their rocks off by winding up a 'DS'.


And for what its worth - I did a quick read on Doug, and see that he was the one who reached out to you - and you went along with the plan because in part David Walsh said bout the juniors ""What do they have to go on to?"

The Bold part ,,,,,,

opposite could be written.
"I think they are getting their rocks off by sucking-up to a 'DS'."

 

[Winterfold]

The bolded I totally agree with.

What the f*ck is wrong with 'fans'?

Mind you, I have to admit that at times I am one of the "clinicians".

I'm a clinician because I'm so frustrated with the sport and its people that I have to view every performance as questionable, I'm a clinician because I still watch the sport after all the disclosure we've had (not just with LA, but with Rabo and every other team that was kicking *ss the last couple of decades), and I'm even more of a clinician for knowing what's going on and still wanting to watch it.

The ire and ignorance JV was attacked with was really poor form.

<snipped for brevity>

He actually comes here to interact with fans. B*tch as I may, let's not drive our one solid contact to the pro peloton into the ground...

Well said. Its very clear that this forum has both concerned fans who look on the sport with an extremely cynical eye borne of serial disappointment, and conspiracy theory crackpots who comes across as if they have never ridden a bicycle.

 

[sniper]

Well said. Its very clear that this forum has both concerned fans who look on the sport with an extremely cynical eye borne of serial disappointment, and conspiracy theory crackpots who comes across as if they have never ridden a bicycle.

I ride my bike every single day, but still don't see how that (dis)qualifies me to make calls on performances such as Sky's, or on crackpot theories such as JV's ("it's so much cleaner now", "clean guys can win GTs now", etc.).
If you don't play soccer, does that disqualify you from calling BS on the "there is no-doping in soccer" stance taken by the FIFA? But watch out, if you make any insinuations, Blatter will say you're a crackpot junky who's never kicked a ball in his life.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Please don't forget the word "evil" - it's part of my new branding.

Not saying anything? Walsh 2003, Dan Coyle, 2004-2005, USADA 2004, Juliet Macur NYT, 2006, voluntary witness US FDA (never subpoenaed), 2010, USADA 2010, then again, USADA, 2012.... made to do what? get your story straight.

Get it?

You've said sorry / apologized and talked since whenever or whatever date. That is good for you as you're the one who has to live with the decisions made. Not that it matters what the fans think but good for you for finally making the tough decision to come clean.

What do you tell all of your peers back in the 90's that did not dope but got pummeled by you guys that did? Anything to say to them?

More like the USA doped cycling teams were just on the bikes riding and living the dream. Why should they care 2 cents about the consequences of their actions. The one who did not dope,,,,,well they are just dumb rubes right.

Ooops soooooo sorry to all the rubes out in the USA amateur cycling scene that that did not dope. We pulled a scam and conn on all you rubes.

But since all that is old news lets move on to clean cycling.

 

[Galic Ho]

Doping is actually a very small consideration in whether as a parent one might support/encourage your kids to pursue elite sport.

Firstly, the odds are that this pursuit will be unsuccessful, no matter how hard you train or whatever unconventional preparations one might adopt. Most aspiring pro sportsmen end up in their mid 20s wondering where it all went wrong, with maybe a couple of good days to remember and the rest of their lives to lead. Encouraging your kids to engage in something that will almost certainly result in epic failure is not really a good thing.

Secondly, and most importantly, to be in with a chance of success, one has to start young and dedicate so much time to training, travelling and competition that school work most likely suffers. This compounds the first problem, in that the unsuccessful ex-child has the rest of their life to lead with a compromised education.

The chance of having to make the decision as to whether to dope or not to make it a pro will affect very few folk indeed compared to the numbers who face the real psychological and educational risks of embarking on a serious effort to become a pro in the first place.

I was being sarcastic in that paragraph!

But I am sure JV can talk to people about chasing a dream to be an elite sportsman from a young age. He's touched on in briefly before.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I was being sarcastic in that paragraph!

I picked up on that, but as the father of a ten year old who has her heart set on running in the Olympics, it was a good cue to waffle on for a bit!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Just hire a swimming coach. And no more wind tunnels. Froomebot doesn't do that stuff.

Also, remember WARM UP, WARM DOWN.

Pity you didn't know this stuff when you had Wiggins on your team, or he would have won the Tour back then.

Normal cyclist progression. Marginal gains will get you from non contender to Tour Champion. Only takes a year or two.

 

[Galic Ho]

I picked up on that, but as the father of a ten year old who has her heart set on running in the Olympics, it was a good cue to waffle on for a bit!

Fair enough and good luck to her. Maybe push her towards synchronised swimming or shooting if you're American. Or table tennis. Archery I hear is very clean. Rhythmic gymnastics is pretty much dope free. Very little or no doping in those.

See the Sky is the limit?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Fair enough and good luck to her.

Thanks. She'll need it, given my genes...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Thanks. She'll need it, given my genes...

I believe mitochondria come from the woman, so it's your wife that will play the bigger role.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I believe mitochondria come from the woman, so it's your wife that will play the bigger role.

Thanks. Mrs W&G is a fearsome aerobic force, with an entire server at Strava dedicated to sending out updates to her QoM achievements. There is hope yet!!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I picked up on that, but as the father of a ten year old who has her heart set on running in the Olympics, it was a good cue to waffle on for a bit!

What distances?

She is ten and as far as I know the threat will not come until around 14 to 17. That is when the vultures will show up and pressure will be applied to those they think have what it takes to move up in the show. The ones who do not relent to the pure pressure will be called rubes and the ones that take up the heat will be called stars.

Sky is the limit.