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are you suggesting he's not aware of doping on his own team?
I don't think 'team-wide project' is a useful term here, since we already have a much more widespread term for what Vaughters has implanted: internal testing.
A fair question is whether he's using the internal testing (a) with the true and noble purpose of running a clean team, or (b) with the more earthly purpose of guaranteeing that nobody trips the wire. My money is on (b), and the thread is full of evidence to that extent, but feel free to give arguments in favor of (a).
On another note, if his goal was to out Armstrong, and if he hated Armstrong so much, how do you explain the Lance love coming from the likes of Danielson and Wiggins?
Also, don't forget Lance's comeback was embellished with promises of internal testing very similar to Garmin. It was en vogue at that moment.
The best you can say about Vaughters is that he's played the media like none other and has very skillfully positioned himself as an anti-doping crusader. When you go look what he's actually done to fight doping, it's very very little. On the contrary, he's deliberately made a lot of people look the other way. Themes like 'new clean generation', 'now you can win clean', 'the dark era is behind us', etc., would currently not have had such momentum if it wasn't for Vaughters. 'Nothing to see here' has been Vaughters' principal message.
no need to apologize, delgados!the delgados said:sniper:
My apologies; I didn't make myself clear in the previous post.
I have no doubt that JV is aware of doping in the peloton. The point I was trying to make is I think that perhaps JV's clean cycling project was meant in part to out Armstrong. I think you'll agree that he did a good job of doing so. I have a hard time believing that JV is overseeing a team-wide project, but i could be wrong.
Cycling has been corrupt since its inception, and I don't think it will ever change. I'm pretty sure everyone involved in the sport feels the same. Again, the point I was trying to make is I think JV's project is and was a part of a game. That's all.
are you suggesting he's not aware of doping on his own team?
I don't think 'team-wide project' is a useful term here, since we already have a much more widespread term for what Vaughters has implanted: internal testing.
A fair question is whether he's using the internal testing (a) with the true and noble purpose of running a clean team, or (b) with the more earthly purpose of guaranteeing that nobody trips the wire. My money is on (b), and the thread is full of evidence to that extent, but feel free to give arguments in favor of (a).
On another note, if his goal was to out Armstrong, and if he hated Armstrong so much, how do you explain the Lance love coming from the likes of Danielson and Wiggins?
Also, don't forget Lance's comeback was embellished with promises of internal testing very similar to Garmin. It was en vogue at that moment.
The best you can say about Vaughters is that he's played the media like none other and has very skillfully positioned himself as an anti-doping crusader. When you go look what he's actually done to fight doping, it's very very little. On the contrary, he's deliberately made a lot of people look the other way. Themes like 'new clean generation', 'now you can win clean', 'the dark era is behind us', etc., would currently not have had such momentum if it wasn't for Vaughters. 'Nothing to see here' has been Vaughters' principal message.