JV talks, sort of

[perfessor]

The article has already been bumped from the Velonews front-page.

 

[pedaling squares]

Write that article and speak publicly and openly about real issues and I'll get on board. Until then you are WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME!

I'm not sure this is the time for a tell-all article. Let the USADA do their thing, cooperate where you can, and talk frankly in interviews when the results of the investigation are made public. This admission gets out ahead of the story and might help keep the media focused on LA instead of JV at that time.

A truly good person doesn't do the right thing because of reward (in the form of positive PR or whatever), but simply because it's the right thing to do. Has Vaughters done this? Possibly. But because he's stalled on it so long I find it hard to consider that he has, which makes me inherently distrustful of his motives, notwithstanding that his overly corporate, self-aggrandizing PR persona makes him seem untrustworthy.

Sure, but it's tough to be the only salmon swimming upstream past the bears and the eagles. It took a man to be pretty well at the end of the line to start this ball rolling. Imagine being in charge of a start-up pro team with a limited budget and taking that risk. It's harder when you are responsible for people who have a long way to fall than when you're responsible only for yourself and have already reached near bottom.

I've been trying to get NYTimes to write stories for years. It's neigh impossible for them to even respond to a request.

Strange. I cannot imagine a more credible source than thehog.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I don't know why anyone bothers to reply to Chris' 'game'.
Sling insults, add juvie put downs, make a 'cutting' superior tone remark ...take ball and go home. La,la,la....

Well, at least we won't have to worry about him if Sparks dismisses Armstrong's claim. Chris only shows up when he doesn't have to eat the medicine he tries to dish out. But if his hero Lance wins, you can count on a steady stream of "nah nahna boo boo, stick your head in doo doo."

You're right, best to just ignore him.

 

[spalco]

"nah nahna boo boo, stick your head in doo doo."

Uber-offtopic, sorry, but I'm wondering, do American (children) actually say that? I thought it's just something Tosh made up.

 

[lean mean &green]

I'm not sure this is the time for a tell-all article.

You clearly misunderstand me. I don't want a tell all from JV. I'll go further to say I don't even care about the details of his personal experience 15 years ago. It's important that he was honest with USADA but it means little otherwise.

He had an opportunity to dispel some widely held myths in a widely circulated publication and we get his sad little qualified apology. It accomplishes zilch.

 

[ElChingon]

Nice, no matter how its spun, its just another entry in the record books

Dopology, the Johnny V entry

 

[JV1973]

Not sure who I'm supposed to reply to. You guys get going pretty fast...

Anyhow, thanks for the support. For those of you less supportive, not really sure what to say? I guess wait 5 yrs and see how it all comes out?

As for those with specific questions:

Me, in the past, saying the sport was cleaner (2006)... Yes, it was. 2006 was cleaner than 2002... 2002 was cleaner than 2000...1997 was cleaner than 1996... 1996 was errr... pretty much the peak. Sorry if I couldn't convey that at the time. The overall blood data I have seen as a UCI anti-doping funding committee board member shows the overall trend quite clearly. I know that data is not public. Sorry, I can't leak it to the clinic. What's more amazing is if you take average times of top 30 guys up any key climb, note the % slowdown, adjust for bikes being a little lighter, etc, you can track it almost exactly to the hemoglobin mass decreasing in the overall peloton data. Of course, exceptions exist, but the mean is quite convincing.

I tend to focus on the mean or median, as opposed to saying "yeah, but what about this guy or that guy!!"... But I have more access to information than most, so perhaps that's why? Even though the trend was towards less and less doping from 1997>>> 2006, sadly, I'd say that the reaction of doping only made those still willing to risk even more efficacious. But the overall was getting cleaner. The numbers prove that (and again, i apologize I can't show you the numbers..Not sure why UCI doesn't just release them??)


Allan Lim: It pains me to defend this guy. I am not a fan. Nor a friend. However, you guys should ask Floyd as to what his exact involvement was with him on the medical level. I did, after Floyd tested positive. Floyd said "listen, he didn't have a part in that stuff with me, you should hire him full time, so he doesn't get wrapped up in my downfall" (paraphrasing)... So, since I knew Allan, and knew he was a very smart guy, I went with it. I'm a big one on guys not getting railroaded, unfairly. During his time with us, he was a huge proponent of clean racing. When we implemented the no needles policy in 2008, he was the most in favor (even more than Prentice!).. He argued that from a strictly scientific standpoint, there was no need for injectable recovery. He rebuilt his reputation with our team. I think he forgets that...

When Radio Shack came with big money, he left without any hesitation. I have not spoken to him since.

JV

 

[131313]

Not sure who I'm supposed to reply to. You guys get going pretty fast...

you could always make it easy and talk about Utah yesterday, because that was awesome.

 

[thehog]

Not sure who I'm supposed to reply to. You guys get going pretty fast...

Anyhow, thanks for the support. For those of you less supportive, not really sure what to say? I guess wait 5 yrs and see how it all comes out?

As for those with specific questions:

Me, in the past, saying the sport was cleaner (2006)... Yes, it was. 2006 was cleaner than 2002... 2002 was cleaner than 2000...1997 was cleaner than 1996... 1996 was errr... pretty much the peak. Sorry if I couldn't convey that at the time. The overall blood data I have seen as a UCI anti-doping funding committee board member shows the overall trend quite clearly. I know that data is not public. Sorry, I can't leak it to the clinic. What's more amazing is if you take average times of top 30 guys up any key climb, note the % slowdown, adjust for bikes being a little lighter, etc, you can track it almost exactly to the hemoglobin mass decreasing in the overall peloton data. Of course, exceptions exist, but the mean is quite convincing.

I tend to focus on the mean or median, as opposed to saying "yeah, but what about this guy or that guy!!"... But I have more access to information than most, so perhaps that's why? Even though the trend was towards less and less doping from 1997>>> 2006, sadly, I'd say that the reaction of doping only made those still willing to risk even more efficacious. But the overall was getting cleaner. The numbers prove that (and again, i apologize I can't show you the numbers..Not sure why UCI doesn't just release them??)


Allan Lim: It pains me to defend this guy. I am not a fan. Nor a friend. However, you guys should ask Floyd as to what his exact involvement was with him on the medical level. I did, after Floyd tested positive. Floyd said "listen, he didn't have a part in that stuff with me, you should hire him full time, so he doesn't get wrapped up in my downfall" (paraphrasing)... So, since I knew Allan, and knew he was a very smart guy, I went with it. I'm a big one on guys not getting railroaded, unfairly. During his time with us, he was a huge proponent of clean racing. When we implemented the no needles policy in 2008, he was the most in favor (even more than Prentice!).. He argued that from a strictly scientific standpoint, there was no need for injectable recovery. He rebuilt his reputation with our team. I think he forgets that...

When Radio Shack came with big money, he left without any hesitation. I have not spoken to him since.

JV

Did you ever get to go Prom and/get a date?

 

[User Guide]

Not sure who I'm supposed to reply to. You guys get going pretty fast...

Anyhow, thanks for the support. For those of you less supportive, not really sure what to say? I guess wait 5 yrs and see how it all comes out?

As for those with specific questions:

Me, in the past, saying the sport was cleaner (2006)... Yes, it was. 2006 was cleaner than 2002... 2002 was cleaner than 2000...1997 was cleaner than 1996... 1996 was errr... pretty much the peak. Sorry if I couldn't convey that at the time. The overall blood data I have seen as a UCI anti-doping funding committee board member shows the overall trend quite clearly. I know that data is not public. Sorry, I can't leak it to the clinic. What's more amazing is if you take average times of top 30 guys up any key climb, note the % slowdown, adjust for bikes being a little lighter, etc, you can track it almost exactly to the hemoglobin mass decreasing in the overall peloton data. Of course, exceptions exist, but the mean is quite convincing.

I tend to focus on the mean or median, as opposed to saying "yeah, but what about this guy or that guy!!"... But I have more access to information than most, so perhaps that's why? Even though the trend was towards less and less doping from 1997>>> 2006, sadly, I'd say that the reaction of doping only made those still willing to risk even more efficacious. But the overall was getting cleaner. The numbers prove that (and again, i apologize I can't show you the numbers..Not sure why UCI doesn't just release them??)


Allan Lim: It pains me to defend this guy. I am not a fan. Nor a friend. However, you guys should ask Floyd as to what his exact involvement was with him on the medical level. I did, after Floyd tested positive. Floyd said "listen, he didn't have a part in that stuff with me, you should hire him full time, so he doesn't get wrapped up in my downfall" (paraphrasing)... So, since I knew Allan, and knew he was a very smart guy, I went with it. I'm a big one on guys not getting railroaded, unfairly. During his time with us, he was a huge proponent of clean racing. When we implemented the no needles policy in 2008, he was the most in favor (even more than Prentice!).. He argued that from a strictly scientific standpoint, there was no need for injectable recovery. He rebuilt his reputation with our team. I think he forgets that...

When Radio Shack came with big money, he left without any hesitation. I have not spoken to him since.

JV

Firstly thanks for the posts JV.

Now im no expert reading between the lines, but am guessing the highlighted is a rhetorical question.It would show a certain someone was smashing the dirtiest field in our sport's history.

 

[JV1973]

Did you ever get to go Prom and/get a date?

Nope. I never attended a school dance. Being handsome isn't my strong suit.

 

[JV1973]

you could always make it easy and talk about Utah yesterday, because that was awesome.

Yeah...Not so awesome. We have a good core group of guys, but no true leader... Talansky for stage races, Dan Martin for hill one day races. That's the direction the boat is heading. Those two will be true leaders. Of course, Hesjedal too, but he's already proven it.

 

[argyllflyer]

Firstly thanks for the posts JV.

Now im no expert reading between the lines, but am guessing the highlighted is a rhetorical question.It would show a certain someone was smashing the dirtiest field in our sport's history.

I've been reading too much clinic this last few days, Mr Blue Sky came on at the Olympics closing ceremony and I corrected my wife, saying "it's EPO,not the Beatles!"

It's great JV is being so open just now, at a time the sport is desperate for this. UCI's ostrich impression could easily lead to the removal of the sport from the next Olympics. There's so much at stake.

 

[knewcleardaze]

Anyone know why Floyd and Frankie aren't working in cycling? Maybe they don't want to?

 

[User Guide]

I've been reading too much clinic this last few days, Mr Blue Sky came on at the Olympics closing ceremony and I corrected my wife, saying "it's EPO,not the Beatles!"

It's great JV is being so open just now, at a time the sport is desperate for this. UCI's ostrich impression could easily lead to the removal of the sport from the next Olympics. There's so much at stake.

Irony is,judging by other sports cycling well may be the "cleanest"
BTW JV
Dombrowski? not interested? too much $$$?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Anyone know why Floyd and Frankie aren't working in cycling? Maybe they don't want to?

Frankie is still working, though his Kenda/5 Hour Energy team got screwed out of spots in the biggest races in the US...Hmmm...I wonder if there is some link there to someone making decisions for those races who has a grudge against Frankie....

 

[Dead Star]

I've been reading too much clinic this last few days, Mr Blue Sky came on at the Olympics closing ceremony and I corrected my wife, saying "it's EPO,not the Beatles!"

It's great JV is being so open just now, at a time the sport is desperate for this. UCI's ostrich impression could easily lead to the removal of the sport from the next Olympics. There's so much at stake.

Brilliant .

Indeed. Thanks JV.

 

[argyllflyer]

Anyone know why Floyd and Frankie aren't working in cycling? Maybe they don't want to?

Frankie is involved with a Continental team

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kenda-5-hour-energy-furious-at-us-race-snubs

They weren't invited to some high profile recent races...

 

[slowspoke]

Thanks for your continued openness JV. You're doing the right thing and helping a lot of us here feel a lot less cynical about this sport.

Slowspoke

 

[knewcleardaze]

Thanks Chew and Argyl.

 

[thehog]

Anyone know why Floyd and Frankie aren't working in cycling? Maybe they don't want to?

Define cycling?

 

[Race Radio]

Nope. I never attended a school dance. Being handsome isn't my strong suit.

See, this was my problem. I got way too much action in High School....I could have won the Tour if it wasn't for that

 

[ChrisE]

Not sure who I'm supposed to reply to. You guys get going pretty fast...

.....snip...
JV

What is your favorite color? Do you say tomato or tomato?

After those hard hitting questions, can you shed some light on your clean team winning GT's? Does that mean the other teams are clean and you just have the strongest riders, and thus you can drop the "clean" selling point?

At what point in the future do you stop doing opeds touting your "clean" team that is winning GT's, lamenting for the future of the youth in sport, and imploring the execution of anti-doping rules?

You must think the other teams are PED infested, else I don't get it else how can you compete? I am sure you can shed some light on this subject that is confusing someone outside of the clinic cult.

 

[python]

.... For those of you less supportive, not really sure what to say? .

as i said up thread, your participation and efforts are appreciated...as to those less supportive, which as you said is a matter of opinion and time, stay cool and please don't take baiting questions. let the clinic and the mods handle the more obnoxious ones.

once again, kudos for speaking up.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

What is your favorite color? Do you say tomato or tomato?

After those hard hitting questions, can you shed some light on your clean team winning GT's? Does that mean the other teams are clean and you just have the strongest riders, and thus you can drop the "clean" selling point?

At what point in the future do you stop doing opeds touting your "clean" team that is winning GT's, lamenting for the future of the youth in sport, and imploring the execution of anti-doping rules?

You must think the other teams are PED infested, else I don't get it else how can you compete? I am sure you can shed some light on this subject that is confusing someone outside of the clinic cult.