Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

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jimmypop said:
Almost certainly Lim. Conspicuously absent from the interview, and Landis mey be keeping Lim's name out of all things public until Novitsky's investigation is complete.

He didn't exactly name Arnie Baker as being complicit. Arnie: unaccounted for (except for being his coach in 96).
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Indeed, but CN's conduct over the last few years has contributed to the problem.

It has acted a mouthpiece for the likes of Armstrong and the UCI.

It is clear where it stands on the doping issue. Omerta all the way. When Suh was busy spouting ******** at every opportunity, CN was there like an eager puppy ready to report it all.

When Landis blew the whistle CN hasn't wasted an opportunity to **** on him from a great height and to portray him in a negative light.

The likes of McQuaid, Millar, Wiggins etc are always given every opportunity to bad mouth Landis or anyone else who speaks out.

Here's the thing - we've been through Festina, Saiz, Puerto, USP/Disco, Greyhound, Phonak, and yet, CN never bothers to ask questions before the event.

Lets take a team like HTC - a team whose performance raises more than a few eyebrows. Will CN take a critical view of them? No of course not because they are Uncle Pat's faves. And you know what, if the balloon goes up, we'll be back in the same position we are now because the likes of CN were too worried about losing those 'exclusive' interviews with Frodo, etc to look critically at the team. Just like CN wasn't willing to look at USP/Disco/Shack or the UCI critically because the spineless Benson didn't want to rock the boat.

The again, when your lead journalist is so emotionally under-developed that she thinks it is still 1950, we can't really expect anything else.

Cycling will never get any better until the journalists covering the sport grow a set.

+1 (Sad but true.)
 
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2beacoup said:
+1 (Sad but true.)


Maybe I'm not reading enough. I've seen CN publish more "tough" words in the last 4 months than I think I've ever seen most of the "respectable" news sources do.

What am I missing?
 
To be fair to CyclingNews they report Cycling News rather than write opinion pieces like Kimmage does. If Armstrong wins the Tour they report it. If Landis fails a drug test they report it.

Although I will say they did do a poor interpretation on Floyd's comments.

The Wiggins report was also in poor taste. Interviewing Brad is one thing and their prerogative to do so but to print the statement about FLoyd being "a drunk" was in poor taste. They should had at least asked Floyd for his comment on the fact. When someone is seeking therapy over what has gone in their lives like Floyd was it shows the printing of the comment was a "low blow" by CyclingNews.

Mrs John Murphy said:
Indeed, but CN's conduct over the last few years has contributed to the problem.

It has acted a mouthpiece for the likes of Armstrong and the UCI.

It is clear where it stands on the doping issue. Omerta all the way. When Suh was busy spouting ******** at every opportunity, CN was there like an eager puppy ready to report it all.

When Landis blew the whistle CN hasn't wasted an opportunity to **** on him from a great height and to portray him in a negative light.

The likes of McQuaid, Millar, Wiggins etc are always given every opportunity to bad mouth Landis or anyone else who speaks out.

Here's the thing - we've been through Festina, Saiz, Puerto, USP/Disco, Greyhound, Phonak, and yet, CN never bothers to ask questions before the event.

Lets take a team like HTC - a team whose performance raises more than a few eyebrows. Will CN take a critical view of them? No of course not because they are Uncle Pat's faves. And you know what, if the balloon goes up, we'll be back in the same position we are now because the likes of CN were too worried about losing those 'exclusive' interviews with Frodo, etc to look critically at the team. Just like CN wasn't willing to look at USP/Disco/Shack or the UCI critically because the spineless Benson didn't want to rock the boat.

The again, when your lead journalist is so emotionally under-developed that she thinks it is still 1950, we can't really expect anything else.

Cycling will never get any better until the journalists covering the sport grow a set.
 

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typical BS from you flickie.

Floyd is a giant amongst men.

YES! Floyd is a leader among your group. Not mine.
All I can say once again, Floyd was cheated out of the 2006 Tour de France.

If he had not have been caught, and everything that happened after words(some of which are his own fault some of which was perpetuated by evil people through no fault of Floyds') he could have had a career.

Floyd could have had his surgery and continued on in the sport in management of a cycling team, working for a bicycle manufacturer, or some other aspect of the industry.

He could have blown the whistle.

He could have taken his winnings dropped out of the sport, started a business
gone to school taken care of his family.

Floyd chose none of those. He got caught and he has been making bad choices ever since. Nothing has changed.

Just watch his next move, mark my words.
 
flicker said:
YES! Floyd is a leader among your group. Not mine.
All I can say once again, Floyd was cheated out of the 2006 Tour de France.

If he had not have been caught, and everything that happened after words(some of which are his own fault some of which was perpetuated by evil people through no fault of Floyds') he could have had a career.

Floyd could have had his surgery and continued on in the sport in management of a cycling team, working for a bicycle manufacturer, or some other aspect of the industry.

He could have blown the whistle.

He could have taken his winnings dropped out of the sport, started a business
gone to school taken care of his family.

Floyd chose none of those. He got caught and he has been making bad choices ever since. Nothing has changed.

Just watch his next move, mark my words.

I know you just post to get a rise out of people. You hang the bait out and generally it works. But I have to say after reading the interview you've lost your venom. You also used to rise a little chuckle from me but you've lost that string to your bow. It obvious that you really don't know what to say next. Funny that.

But please don't stop posting. You'll get it back but it won't be on this topic.

Recounting the suicide of your father in law and losing your wife is simply not funny. The fact that you want to make light of it shows your true colours. Perhaps its you who's been making bad decisions about your life? (I've seen you joke about suicide on this forum before - what's eating you? - Can we help?)

Take Floyd's path. Seek therapy. It will do you good.
 
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flicker said:
YES! Floyd is a leader among your group. Not mine.

rather Floyd than that one nut job that you wet dream over.

Back on topic.

Kimmage leads his interviewees through aspects their life to extablish how they arrive at their current present day state and he does it so well.

A great article. Bravo to Kimmage for doing it and doing it so well and well done Floyd for giving it to him straight.

Pro cycling sure stinks from top to bottom.

But as Kimmage said, "It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****."
 
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flicker said:
YES! Floyd is a leader among your group. Not mine.
All I can say once again, Floyd was cheated out of the 2006 Tour de France.

If he had not have been caught, and everything that happened after words(some of which are his own fault some of which was perpetuated by evil people through no fault of Floyds') he could have had a career.

Floyd could have had his surgery and continued on in the sport in management of a cycling team, working for a bicycle manufacturer, or some other aspect of the industry.

He could have blown the whistle.

He could have taken his winnings dropped out of the sport, started a business
gone to school taken care of his family.

Floyd chose none of those. He got caught and he has been making bad choices ever since. Nothing has changed.

Just watch his next move, mark my words.

He`s made the choices his consiounce/ rational allowed in given situations and you berate him for it?
Undoubtedly he could have chosen a differant route that materialy most likely would have seen greater stability in that way but peace of mind has litle to do with material wealth.
Material wealth does not set one free in fact it becomes it`s own prison.
That isnt to say having nothing is easy but when it comes to knowing ones priorities..even if the moralising is a load of nonsense the basic ethics of Floyds background of a faith upringing have faired well on the rocky road.
They are the backbone of his world view and there sound ethics.
His story of reconsiliation of faith after bad religion has forced him to question everything is a commen one.
Im not sugesting Floyd has rediscoverd god ...but he sure has a beter idea of spirit.
 
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thehog said:
please remove and link to the NYVelocity page. Give them the kudos for printing the article.

Time waster.

Hey, it's not my pdf. Don't shoot the messenger. Just if you'd prefer to save it or print out or whatever.
 

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Clinic's Famous Quotes said:
Vaughters: funniest thing I ever heard – Johan and Lance dumped Floyd’s rest day
blood refill down the toilet in front of him in last yrs tour to make him ride bad
Andreu: holy ****, I never heard that. That’s craz!!!

Ok, Floyd says that did not happen.

Lance and Johann did not dump Floyd's blood in the toilet. No Spiteful Dump.
Santa is not real.

But does anyone know who/how/where JV heard that story?
That "funniest thing he ever heard" lol.

Maybe JV read about it in the Clinic?
Who started that rumour lol.
 

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Darryl Webster said:
He`s made the choices his consiounce/ rational allowed in given situations and you berate him for it?
Undoubtedly he could have chosen a differant route that materialy most likely would have seen greater stability in that way but peace of mind has litle to do with material wealth.
Material wealth does not set one free in fact it becomes it`s own prison.
That isnt to say having nothing is easy but when it comes to knowing ones priorities..even if the moralising is a load of nonsense the basic ethics of Floyds background of a faith upringing have faired well on the rocky road.
They are the backbone of his world view and there sound ethics.
His story of reconsiliation of faith after bad religion has forced him to question everything is a commen one.
Im not sugesting Floyd has rediscoverd god ...but he sure has a beter idea of spirit.

About Floyd, I wish him peace. I do not like to see cycling rubbished.... anymore than it needs to be.
True fans of cycling see the varying shades of gray in the sport. I myself see the blatant cheating.

Like Barrus said about Contador, I will say about Floyd, his life has become tragedy, for that I am truly sorry for him.

In your face recounting of serial doping for me does not entertainment make.

I get angry when Floyd rubbishes Micheal Boogard. I feel bad for Floyd though, I don't like to see anyone paint themselves in a corner...

I hope that he liberates his spirit. Look at someone like Obree or Robert Millar, they have liberated themselves. They never rubbished cycling and seem to come on good terms with their fans and families.

Do I think that PK or Floyd need to rubbish peoples heroes to liberate themselves from the blatant doping done in professional cycling? No.

Does it benefit the sport. IMO No. Does it build the sport,No.
 

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Like Barrus said about Contador, I will say about Floyd, his life has become tragedy, for that I am truly sorry for him.

I never said anything like that
 
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BotanyBay said:
Maybe I'm not reading enough. I've seen CN publish more "tough" words in the last 4 months than I think I've ever seen most of the "respectable" news sources do.

What am I missing?

The Clinic, where CN has been deleting each and every post about dru...... oh wait.


Listen, even if I am a mod, I have no links to CN. feel free to take my word as a CN henchman, not as just another poster here. But it would be nice if some of you take into account the incredible freedom you get here to post just about any opinion you have at the moment, from the site-owners, next time you moan about their past or present behaviour, or about censorship, or omerta, or something.

Given that we are in their house, I am amazed just how hands-off they are, on the whole. As a commercial organisation they could have opted for a very different attitude, many similar sites have (and that's why some of you ended up here too, I guess).

That they have embraced the Clinic as part of the ship, and the space they maintain for us to be, well, "us".... I am much happier to offer my services here than I would be on many other sites.

Sure, criticise them, keep 'em honest. But if that's where you stop, or if that's the totality of your opinion of the CN ship.... then that's a bit one-sided, as far as I am concerned.

I would argue that Floyd Landis has been given a very fair hearing here in the clinic for a heck of a long time. I can name several similar cycling sites where his name alone would be enough for moderators to wade in.

If there has something in the past, and there is some bad blood between CN news and Landis for a good reason, he is still a weird spot to say "I won't make that mistake again", when Mr Not So Clean Either himself is begging for a new and fair hearing, and a second chance. Third, fourth? Who is counting.

"I won't make that mistake again" can be turned right back at him. He has a lot of supportive posts on this site. Maybe he isn't totally aware of what is happening on the current CN site. Here more than on most high-traffic sites that I had a look at recently.
 
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At what stage did you start asking those questions?

Early. Some people don’t question it but if you have the personality that I have then you start to ask. So I would just question everything – and not because I wanted to be defiant, I just wanted to know.
Man I'm a ****ing mind reader.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
I have to wonder if anyone has gotten through the entire interview yet before commenting?

I also have to wonder if there is anyone left out there who believes Floyd is lying and making all this up?

Judging by the comments on the Sunday Times site and the link to NYVelocity from VeloNews all the fanboys have taken their toys and gone home. Zero comments. Astounding. This was a game changer.
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
I have to wonder if anyone has gotten through the entire interview yet before commenting?

I also have to wonder if there is anyone left out there who believes Floyd is lying and making all this up?

Well, I myself have problems to believe that he did not dope at all untill he got to USPS. But the longer this all drags on the more convinced I am getting that perhaps he is even telling the truth about that
 
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flicker said:
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I hope that he liberates his spirit. Look at someone like Obree .......They never rubbished cycling and seem to come on good terms with their fans and families.

For those reading the above please be aware that

Obree has rubbished it plenty of times and the BS uci. He refused to dope in France and was told then no contract. He was wanted by a few teams but he refused to dope, so returned to Scotland.
 
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Francois the Postman said:
The Clinic, where CN has been deleting each and every post about dru...... oh wait.

Allowing doping topics to be discussed on a forum, and doing investigative journalism are two completely different things. I would assume the difference is obvious.
 
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thehog said:
Judging by the comments on the Sunday Times site and the link to NYVelocity from VeloNews all the fanboys have taken their toys and gone home. Zero comments. Astounding. This was a game changer.

By: Lance Armstrong
Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:14pm

I could have spent my morning doing hookers and blow but I wasted it reading this?

Livestrong!

someone we all know visited NYVelocity for a read........:rolleyes:
 

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