Kimmage, Macur and others on Armstrong

[ultimobici]

Truth is good. Honesty is good. Also I weigh things out in the big world.

My answer is I try to weigh out what I want to believe, fiction, truth to enjoy watching cycling. But then again, what do I know, I am just a newbie.

For instance Kimmage, doing his diatribe and analogy on cancer.

I wish he would just move on, it is bad for the sport how Kimmage carries himself.

Is Kimmage bringing on young cyclists to the sport, no.

I put ole Johnny Rotten on here because his step daughter passed away from cancer this last December. In December he did a BBC interview and never mentioned her. Class pure class Johnny.

I find the haters like Kimmage to be dismally droll and bitter.

I mean where does Paul get off on making analogies on cancer, uncalled for in my book.

I do think the people, who grind their axes with hatred for Lance, are a little over the top. I would leave that job to Novitzky and if Betsy testifies that is fine by me, under oath in a court of law.

Kimmage has every right to be as vitriolic as he is. For years he and Walsh have been portrayed as petty bitter hacks who are pedalling false accusations. It is looking more and more likely, possibly certain, that they were absolutely right all along. If Armstrong is shown to have been doping as well as encouraging doping in his team-mates then Kimmage is bang on in his analogy of Armstrong as a returning tumour.

Imo it is not so much if Armstrong is exposed rather when. When that happens hopefully anyone connected to him will be exposed too. If that means Hincapie, Leipheimer, Horner & all the ex-Posties, so be it. None of them have any business being in cycling in any way, shape or form.

 

[Roland Rat]

sure roland. sure you would.

In his position, most people would. It's not like he needs it.

 

[frenchfry]

kudos to armstrong for donating 50k cash to the qld flood relief fund. what are you keyboard warriors contributing?

So far it's a "pledge".

But of course Lancey-poo always makes good on his promises, just ask Texpat for example. Or his ex-teammates who didn't receive their share of the tour winnings.

 

[flicker]

Kimmage has every right to be as vitriolic as he is. For years he and Walsh have been portrayed as petty bitter hacks who are pedalling false accusations. It is looking more and more likely, possibly certain, that they were absolutely right all along. If Armstrong is shown to have been doping as well as encouraging doping in his team-mates then Kimmage is bang on in his analogy of Armstrong as a returning tumour.

Imo it is not so much if Armstrong is exposed rather when. When that happens hopefully anyone connected to him will be exposed too. If that means Hincapie, Leipheimer, Horner & all the ex-Posties, so be it. None of them have any business being in cycling in any way, shape or form.

Once again, where does the exposure stop, for instance people here love Vino and yet tear a new one on postal, Bindon, uniballer. And thats from papillion mind you. The man with the internet business.

Hey let the truth be heard, I hope none of your heroes are exposed either. That would be a sad day, no?

 

[sagard]

Kimmage has every right to be as vitriolic as he is. For years he and Walsh have been portrayed as petty bitter hacks who are pedalling false accusations. It is looking more and more likely, possibly certain, that they were absolutely right all along. If Armstrong is shown to have been doping as well as encouraging doping in his team-mates then Kimmage is bang on in his analogy of Armstrong as a returning tumour.

Imo it is not so much if Armstrong is exposed rather when. When that happens hopefully anyone connected to him will be exposed too. If that means Hincapie, Leipheimer, Horner & all the ex-Posties, so be it. None of them have any business being in cycling in any way, shape or form.

They do seem like bitter hacks, especially Walsh. Nobody outside of the blind LA fans, believes there isn't a lot of truth in their accusations.

Taken world wide, Lance is already exposed. The only question is to what degree he will have to face the music in the US. Believe it or not I'm guessing most "Lance" fans have moved on, such is the nature of people who climb on bandwagons.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

kudos to armstrong for donating 50k cash to the qld flood relief fund. what are you keyboard warriors contributing?

Yes that is a good contribution to the people who have lost so much due to mother nature. Not to get very personal but I did donate. I am supprised that you would care about his donation but not post a link for us keyboard warriors to do the same. http://www.qld.gov.au/floods/donate.html
We can only hope that some of our CN forum members are not effected by this disaster.

Back on topic in regards to your post above, from what I understand from your post and it is honestly just my opinion. Your trying to make a connection with the donation to the flood victims and the NOS interview with Kimmage saying that Lance Armstrong is a Cancer? I am having a really hard time trying to understand the connection. Can you help me out?

 

[ultimobici]

Once again, where does the exposure stop, for instance people here love Vino and yet tear a new one on postal, Bindon, uniballer. And thats from papillion mind you. The man with the internet business.

Hey let the truth be heard, I hope none of your heroes are exposed either. That would be a sad day, no?

Fignon, Lemond, Hinault & Kelly were the heroes I grew up in cycling with.

I admired Armstrong when he was a young professional and was gutted for him when he was diagnosed with cancer. I bought the book & was astonished at his comeback. But the way in which he has publicly castigated anyone who has the temerity to question his achievements is ugly to say the least. The way he treated Bassons was reprehensible.

I have no problem with a doper who has the good grace to say "yep, I doped and I am sorry." I have a big problem with dopers who insult my intelligence by trying to tell me that they are pure as driven snow. That includes Vino, Contador, Di Luca & Rasmussen as well as Armstrong. I thought the same of Landis from day one, I just didn't buy his story at all. Now that he has come clean, I have a lot more respect for him as a person. To stand up and point the finger at Armstrong takes a lot of courage and I am glad that he finally found the conviction to do it.

 

[thehog]

cheaper to give $50k that an ad campaign

Always with Armstrong there's a catch. What looks good on the surface is never reality. Lets wait and see. I do hope that he's 50k genuine.

 

[Digger]

Truth is good. Honesty is good. Also I weigh things out in the big world.

My answer is I try to weigh out what I want to believe, fiction, truth to enjoy watching cycling. But then again, what do I know, I am just a newbie.

For instance Kimmage, doing his diatribe and analogy on cancer.

I wish he would just move on, it is bad for the sport how Kimmage carries himself.

Is Kimmage bringing on young cyclists to the sport, no.

I put ole Johnny Rotten on here because his step daughter passed away from cancer this last December. In December he did a BBC interview and never mentioned her. Class pure class Johnny.

I find the haters like Kimmage to be dismally droll and bitter.

I mean where does Paul get off on making analogies on cancer, uncalled for in my book.

I do think the people, who grind their axes with hatred for Lance, are a little over the top. I would leave that job to Novitzky and if Betsy testifies that is fine by me, under oath in a court of law.

Clearly you want to live in a fantasy world where you don't want to know the truth. Nothing Kimmage says is factually inaccurate. He is reporting the truth, and you have an issue with that.
Do you think it better for young cyclists to go into the sport blind and then find out what is really going on? Seriously what planet are you living on.

 

[Mellow Velo]

kudos to armstrong for donating 50k cash to the qld flood relief fund. what are you keyboard warriors contributing?

This:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A79649130?s_fromedit=1&s_type=10&s_sport=cycling

 

[Digger]

kudos to armstrong for donating 50k cash to the qld flood relief fund. what are you keyboard warriors contributing?

See thread on getting paid in 2009. Lies and more lies.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Truth is good. Honesty is good. Also I weigh things out in the big world.

My answer is I try to weigh out what I want to believe, fiction, truth to enjoy watching cycling. But then again, what do I know, I am just a newbie.

For instance Kimmage, doing his diatribe and analogy on cancer.

I wish he would just move on, it is bad for the sport how Kimmage carries himself.

Is Kimmage bringing on young cyclists to the sport, no.

I put ole Johnny Rotten on here because his step daughter passed away from cancer this last December. In December he did a BBC interview and never mentioned her. Class pure class Johnny.

I find the haters like Kimmage to be dismally droll and bitter.

I mean where does Paul get off on making analogies on cancer, uncalled for in my book.

I do think the people, who grind their axes with hatred for Lance, are a little over the top. I would leave that job to Novitzky and if Betsy testifies that is fine by me, under oath in a court of law.

Why would Kimmage want to "bring young cyclists" in to a sport that he knows is rotten to its core?

If you don't like cancer analogies then you should look away now:

''They say stress causes cancer,'' said Armstrong, who had testicular cancer two and a half years ago and underwent three months of chemotherapy. ''So if you want to avoid cancer, don't come to the Tour de France and wear the yellow jersey'' of the overall leader. ''It's too much stress.''

NYT 1999.

 

[Roland Rat]

kudos to armstrong for donating 50k cash to the qld flood relief fund. what are you keyboard warriors contributing?

This is what you call a donation, from someone of probably fairly equal wealth.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/01/04/tsunami.relief/index.html

Not from a foundation, from his own pocket.

 

[flicker]

Why would Kimmage want to "bring young cyclists" in to a sport that he knows is rotten to its core?

If you don't like cancer analogies then you should look away now:
NYT 1999.

Cycling is rotten to the core? OK Team Flandria/Shimano.

Rotten to the core? I love the rotteness in cycling, it sits well in my bowels.

Why can't Kimmage come right out and say it, Paul " I loved my rotten cycling career" " I am here to expose it kiddies, but I loved it"

Now thats more like it!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Cycling is rotten to the core? OK Team Flandria/Shimano.

Rotten to the core? I love the rotteness in cycling, it sits well in my bowels.

Why can't Kimmage come right out and say it, Paul " I loved my rotten cycling career" " I am here to expose it kiddies, but I loved it"

Now thats more like it!

Actually, he pretty much did that - it is in his book, you know the one you haven't read.

 

[Benotti69]

They do seem like bitter hacks, especially Walsh. Nobody outside of the blind LA fans, believes there isn't a lot of truth in their accusations.

Taken world wide, Lance is already exposed. The only question is to what degree he will have to face the music in the US. Believe it or not I'm guessing most "Lance" fans have moved on, such is the nature of people who climb on bandwagons.

i dont see where you get the 'bitter hacks' from, apart from the trolls on here like flickie and polisher.

Kimmage dedicated his young life to cycling in a very small country where the sport was in the absolute minority. people have said he went into the pro game knowing about doping. not likely. his love of the sport was through his family. his father and brothers all raced at a high amateur level. cycling was in the family. for him to turn his back on the sport he loved hurt. now i imagine he is angry that so many journalists in the media perpetuate the lie, pros dont speak out etc.. but as for being bitter, nah Kimmage has a life, just read his articles in the Sunday Times to see 90% of what he writes about is not cycling.

go and read what Walsh wrote about pro cycling before 1999, some great stuff especially about Kelly, his neighbour. Walsh sees the injustice of Liestrong and as a journalist believes in speaking out through his work, ie journalism. pity more didn't otherwise the world and society would be a better place. by the way is Walsh bitter about football. he was on the radio alot in connection with the recent bbc panorama programme exposing fifa's corruption. maybe he gets slagged off on football forums for trying to ruin football

 

[Benotti69]

Actually, he pretty much did that - it is in his book, you know the one you haven't read.

he shoots he scores.

 

[BotanyBay]

Cycling is rotten to the core? OK Team Flandria/Shimano.

Rotten to the core? I love the rotteness in cycling, it sits well in my bowels.

Why can't Kimmage come right out and say it, Paul " I loved my rotten cycling career" " I am here to expose it kiddies, but I loved it"

Now thats more like it!

He said it was a Rough Ride. Hence the title.

It's a good book about cycling. Even the apologists will find it to be interesting reading about what it's like to be a member of a top pro team. I wasn't even particularly alarmed about doping when I read his book. That book was a starting point for me.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

This is what you call a donation, from someone of probably fairly equal wealth.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/01/04/tsunami.relief/index.html

Not from a foundation, from his own pocket.

Do we now know LA used foundation money for the Flood relief donation? I have not read that anywhere but would be interested to see the story.

 

[flicker]

He said it was a Rough Ride. Hence the title.

It's a good book about cycling. Even the apologists will find it to be interesting reading about what it's like to be a member of a top pro team. I wasn't even particularly alarmed about doping when I read his book. That book was a starting point for me.

Well I don't really need to read Pauls' Rough Ride book. I can read the faces of Maertens, Goodefroot, Coppi, Plaenkert, Merckx, De Vlaemink Roger and Eric, Zoetemelk, Sven Nys etc. Why would I read what I do not know already?

 

[ultimobici]

Well I don't really need to read Pauls' Rough Ride book. I can read the faces of Maertens, Goodefroot, Coppi, Plaenkert, Merckx, De Vlaemink Roger and Eric, Zoetemelk, Sven Nys etc. Why would I read what I do not know already?

You know you remind me of those people who rail against a book/film that offends them, but when questioned admit they've not read/seen it.

 

[D-Queued]

Well I don't really need to read Pauls' Rough Ride book. I can read the faces of Maertens, Goodefroot, Coppi, Plaenkert, Merckx, De Vlaemink Roger and Eric, Zoetemelk, Sven Nys etc. Why would I read what I do not know already?

Reading what someone has written is different from looking at picture books.

Dave.

 

[Digger]

Well I don't really need to read Pauls' Rough Ride book. I can read the faces of Maertens, Goodefroot, Coppi, Plaenkert, Merckx, De Vlaemink Roger and Eric, Zoetemelk, Sven Nys etc. Why would I read what I do not know already?

Yes it's easier to castigate the guy this way....in ignorance. Are you afraid you'll have to change your opinion....if you bothered to read Paul's book and his writings over the years, you will see him say again and again, that the Tour de France is the greatest sports show on the planet, bar none. The reason he tries to expose the doping problem is because he loves the sport so much, and he hates to see it being destroyed. He is standing up for the Bassons of this world, but your attitude to people like Basson is though sh**.

Your attitude is tell me what I want to hear abotu the sport - that's propoganda al Chemical Ali.

 

[Digger]

You know you remind me of those people who rail against a book/film that offends them, but when questioned admit they've not read/seen it.

Funnily enough, his list reminds me of someone who was stuck for something to say and googled 'famous cyclist names'.

 

[flicker]

Dave, I admit I am illiterate. Please PM me and send me my free copy, I will ask' my eyes' my 10 yr. old son to read it to me. Maybe it will open his eyes up too to the 'utter rotteness of cycling.'