Kimmage on Wiggins, Sky

[The Hitch]

Omfg, y'all read the vino bit?

Chris never fully understood that vinokourov had doped

 

[thehog]

Said he has never used cortisone in training. But earlier said he had a TUE for Prednisone in training?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

PK: What about recuperation? Did you have any injections during that Tour?

CF: No. On Barloworld they did do injectable . . . was it Frumacil? It was an amino acid or something and the doctor would administer that at certain points. And I did have some Frumacil. I don’t know if I had it on the Tour but there were . . . it’s possible once or twice.

PK: Who was the doctor?

CF: (Massimiliano) Mantovani. And before he’d do it he would show it to me and say: ‘This is Frumacil, an amino acid. It will help you to recover.’

Oh, Chris. It's Fumucil (Acetylcysteine), and it's definitely *not* an amino acid... Should've kept your mouth shut on that one!

Fumucil (injectable, 3mL): http://www.swisspharm.com/english/products_detail.php?G0=5&Page=1&Sn=37#ToTop
Acetylcysteine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine#Microbiological_use

I can't even imagine why they'd be taking this stuff.

John Swanson

 

[Fzotrlool]

2002 was an epic battle between Lance and Basso? You might be right about the memory loss.

 

[One Man Grupetto]

Froome has been ingenious. He is shaping up to avoid all the rigours and hassle of the daily TdF post-race interviews by getting his fiancee to answer interview questions for him. He can then go straight to winding down with his feet up on the Sky Deathstar battlebus, while she goes to the Press Conference and answers questions on his behalf.

 

[the sceptic]

this is just perfect.

MC: I don’t think Chris fully understood that (Vinokourov) had doped.

CF: No, I knew.

MC: Not fully.

 

[LaFlorecita]

this is just perfect.

MC: I don’t think Chris fully understood that (Vinokourov) had doped.

CF: No, I knew.

MC: Not fully.

That is awesome

 

[sniper]

uses cortisone for skin problems.
but not OOC?

 

[sniper]

PK: There were flags raised in the team about your performance (in that Vuelta). Did anyone from the team ever raise this with you at all?

CF: No.

PK: Nobody asked: ‘What’s going on here, boy?’

CF: No, never.

kind a odd for a zero tolerance team...

good stuff from kimmage

 

[The Hitch]

Most important thing is he's found an allabi to tie in his 2 bilharzia accounts.

Only problem, in the climb, froome says chunges office was adjacent to the uci test place..not the same ****ing thing

 

[the sceptic]

CF: I have always been aware of the weight issue, but I had always taken it for granted that when I pushed my weight I could get it to about 69 (kg) and that was a good place to be. I don’t think I necessarily thought that I could go much lower than that, and apparently I have. I’ve gone a good three kilos lower which is huge.

MC: He starved himself before the Vuelta, and then he came back to South Africa and that’s when we started dating. I’ve always had a bit of an interest in sports nutrition and my view was that he could still train on more protein and cutting back on the carbs at certain times. And also making sure he wasn’t hungry, so having more meals, more often, things like that.

seems legit..

edit:

CF: But smaller portions. Basically, I think I lost the weight for that 2011 Vuelta

in an unhealthy way; I was starving myself trying to get the weight off and I don’t think that’s healthy or sustainable. But since I’ve been with Michelle I’ve learned to do things in a . . .

MC: It also keeps your weight more stable throughout the year, so you’re not starving yourself, and then after a Tour you want to eat everything.

Now im starting to believe it was Michelle and her mother that transformed Chris

 

[sniper]

kimmage done his homework.
good stuff. sharp questions so far.

PK: Richard Freeman (a Team Sky doctor) told David Walsh that your performances had tripped an alarm in his head. He looked at your (blood) profiles and there was no inconsistency. But if you’ve had a parasite attacking your red cells, surely there should be (some inconsistency). Surely that should show up?

 

[Robert21]

CF: I take a protein drink, fish oils, energizer greens – a CMP vegetable drink -nothing out of the ordinary. I take Loratadine every day, an anti-histamine that helps me with skin reactions to sun creams and the rubbish that seems to flare up my skin. I take my inhaler every day.

PK: Is that Ventolin?

CF: Ventolin only if I’ve got effort. Fluticasone is a daily one, more a preventative, so I take two sprays.

Fluticasone is a corticosteroid. So why hasn't anyone said that he has a TUE for this? If using a corticosteroid cream could trigger a positive test result, surely using an inhaled corticosteroid would and so a TUE would be necessary?

 

[Race Radio]

kimmage done his homework.
good stuff. sharp questions so far.

Agreed. He is a good interviewer. As far as I can see he covered all the bases

 

[thehog]

Agreed. He is a good interviewer. As far as I can see he covered all the bases

Agreed. He was well briefed

 

[Fzotrlool]

PK: You rode your first Tour with the Barloworld team. Those guys were no angels.

CF: Well, I see that now. I knew from the doping headlines and the stories I’d heard that the sport had been riddled with this problem in the past but I thought: ‘I’ve managed to turn professional and I haven’t doped so it’s obviously moving in the right direction.’ And in 2008 I really did believe I was in a clean sport.

PK: Yes, you say that in the book. What was that belief based on?

CF: The fact that they were catching people and making examples of them and banning them from the sport. That, to me, said, ‘Okay, there are still a few old school individuals in the peloton but they’re getting caught. And it’s only a matter of time until those guys are gone so keep doing what you’re doing and you’ll be fine.’

PK: Did you witness any doping at Barloworld?

CF: No, definitely not.

PK: Your team-mate, Duenas was done?

(Note: The Spaniard, Moises Duenas tested positive after the fourth stage and a number of banned products were found when police searched his room.)

CF: Duenas was doing it and that was a big shock, well to me it was anyway.

...Yeah right. Have some of the riders on BW told their story (the whole story) yet? That could be the key.

 

[Fzotrlool]

Agreed. He was well briefed

Maybe he's a Clinic reader. ;o

 

[The Hitch]

How convenient. Chris has memory problems that mean he can't fully remember why he celebrated dopers and which explain why so many of his stories change.

Anyway, good thing is froome is now on an armstrongesque back foot of saying -prove the inconsistencies really aren't just mistakes, rather than this vanguard of anti doping they've been portraying themselves in for so long and which Walsh tried so hard to paint them in.

Froome has totally surrendered in this interview, so many of the myths of sky being this super no stone uncured science team. It's all been boiled down to froome being a once in a generation talent.

 

[Benotti69]

Froome trying to come across as a naive guy new to the sport is not washing with me.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

PK: The admission that you have set a faster time than Armstrong on the Col de la Madone set off a few alarms. But that’s the climate, isn’t it?

CF: Yeah, I mean I can’t give a reason as to why I go faster than some of those guys, I can’t. I just know that I do my training and . . .

MC: Armstrong is not built like a climber for starters. He was never a climber.

CF: (laughs) Let’s not go there.

Fair play to PK if he managed to keep a straight face through this entire interview

 

[deValtos]

Decent interview, need more of these 3hr pieces please !

I thought Froome actually handled himself quite well, Cound not so much ...

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Chris and Michelle were all over the map in that interview. For example:

- Basso "betrayed" Froome with his doping, but is partying it up with Vinokourov. No explanation for that contradiction, but lots of fancy footwork and deflection.

- Won't define his personal ethics and how that related to cheating, but skirts the issue by talking about paracetamol and espresso.

- Vilifies Riis early in the interview, but then admits he, ummm, yeah met with Riis to discuss a contract. But that was uhh... (Michelle interjects) Bargaining chip! Yeah, that's it!

- Bilharzia was super advanced. No it wasn't. Yes it was. No it wasn't. Yeah, but it messed up your hematocrit. Blood profile is fine though... Chris and Michelle at their finest.

- Anyways, that's all cleared up and Madone! Did that faster than Lance. Perfectly normal. VO2max? What's that? Totally irrelevant and you should be ashamed for asking. Here's some power profiles from 2012.

Utterly and totally ridiculous.

John Swanson

 

[jens_attacks]

PK: What about recuperation? Did you have any injections during that Tour?

CF: No. On Barloworld they did do injectable . . . was it Frumacil? It was an amino acid or something and the doctor would administer that at certain points. And I did have some Frumacil. I don’t know if I had it on the Tour but there were . . . it’s possible once or twice.

it's froomacil

this is just perfect.

MC: I don’t think Chris fully understood that (Vinokourov) had doped.

CF: No, I knew.

MC: Not fully.

indeed that was the case of his transformation. 2011 he started hardcore.
the trigger michelle and her mom most likely.
can't blame him though, i could almost swear looking at his muscles, skin and performances that chris really tried pan y agua until summer 2011. but he knew he will unemployed if he choosed the same.
so kids out there, better start since teenagers, otherwise it looks rather awkward.

 

[BYOP88]

Screw this writing malarkey, if PK kept a straight face during that interview with those answers the guy should become a pro-poker player.

 

[Carstenbf]

Personal opinions aside, I felt the need to applaud Froome for even taking this interview.

Credit where it's due.