Kimmage unleashes hell, counter-sues Verbruggen & McQuaid

[Le Baroudeur]

I just hope Paul stays focused. He does seem to have a tendency to grab for the shotgun and take the whole leg rather than cutting out the gangrene with a scalpel leaving at least some flesh to heal.

I know some here like the napalm and uzi approach, but a surgical strike is more likely to benefit the patient here imho.

Time to make a stack of Marmalade sandwiches.

 

[happytramp]

I just hope Paul stays focused. He does seem to have a tendency to grab for the shotgun and take the whole leg rather than cutting out the gangrene with a scalpel

Ha, yeah Paul always had a touch of this guy in him....

 

[Grandillusion]

Cedric Aguet is the one taking the battle forward, I don't imagine he's a hothead in any way. He'll be putting his reputation on the line in the most high profile, publicly scrutinised case out there.

Fingers crossed.

 

[thehog]

Cedric Aguet is the one taking the battle forward, I don't imagine he's a hothead in any way. He'll be putting his reputation on the line in the most high profile, publicly scrutinised case out there.

Fingers crossed.

Doesn't matter even if the submission is unsuccessful. The fact that the documents and testimonies are submitted and are investigated is important.

In means a lot of documents and searches will take place. The UCI may hide on their front but the Lab in Switzerland can not.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I never saw any deed or similar, just a confidential report that noted the contributions the local Canton had made to the business. It could be that legal title to the land would revert back to the Canton if the company withdrew, so that a ground rent would become payable (or an option to buy the land might be offered) should anyone buy the buildings that the company had built. Even so, given the cost of buying land in Switzerland (and this was a large, prime location site in the middle of an important town) being given land free of rent or purchase costs is a huge incentive.

I always wondered if the local tax payers knew of these sort of arrangements as, despite perceptions, the Swiss do end up paying quite a lot of taxes, with everyone from the Canton to the local churches all taking a cut. Perhaps more significantly the Swiss seem to get little back in return, with Switzerland not even having a European-style health service. In Switzerland all health cover is paid for via expensive private insurance policies, which for many people only really cover serious illnesses requiring hospitalisation, with anything costing (typically) less than 2000 Swiss francs being paid for in full by the patient. Many Swiss travel to France to get medical care, especially dentistry, lab tests and so forth.

Perhaps even more than the US, Switzerland seems to be focused on doing whatever serves the needs of 'business', rather than the people who live there.

This is just an aside.
But yes - the UCI did get assistance from the Canton of Vaud for the new building.
I am going from memory - but the UCI wanted to build a velodrome in Lausanne where they were based at the time but this was rejected.
The Canton of Vaud offered various incentives for the UCI to build in various locations.
That is quite a common practice and is neither illegal or even mischievous - and it will have no bearing on if the Swiss authorities pursue Pat & Hein or not.

 

[Grandillusion]

Doesn't matter even if the submission is unsuccessful. The fact that the documents and testimonies are submitted and are investigated is important.

In means a lot of documents and searches will take place. The UCI may hide on their front but the Lab in Switzerland can not.

Yep, this whole development is win win as an earlier poster also said. Great!

 

[thirteen]

excellent piece to make you think: The Catalyst

it starts:

Journalist Paul Kimmage is suing the UCI for defamation, slander and fraud.

That’s worth repeating: Paul Kimmage is suing the UCI.

This would be where Wayne and Garth are supposed to say, “Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my b*tt.”

Lo, see the winged orangutans!

 

[zigmeister]

Now I totally lost support for Kimmage with this statement:

"It's justice for Landis and all the others silenced".

and

“This is for everyone who stands up for the truth and anyone who exposed the doping problem in the sport and were treated appallingly by McQuaid and Verbruggen over the last 20 years,” Kimmage told Cyclingnews late on Thursday evening.

What? Floyd is a doper and a cheater. He talks about the silence, he wasn't silenced, he has been blabbing his story for years after finally admitting to being guilty. The UCI has no power or authority from anybody in the US who doped for years to come out and say they doped and man-up years ago. They all kept getting paid and part of the omerta to keep their jobs, and USADA let them all keep their results to get Lance.

BAnd then, finally Kimmage with his "it's all for the children" statement.

Oh, keep sending money BTW!!!

Of course, this statement:

“It’s justice for the kids who came into the sport and thought they had a chance of achieving their dreams but ended up in coffins;.....etc"

WTF does that mean? Is he actually accusing the UCI of killing people by turning their backs on doping because they all just HAD to dope due to pressure? Or is this some very poor choice of metaphors?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Now I totally lost support for Kimmage with this statement:

"It's justice for Landis and all the others silenced".

and

“This is for everyone who stands up for the truth and anyone who exposed the doping problem in the sport and were treated appallingly by McQuaid and Verbruggen over the last 20 years,” Kimmage told Cyclingnews late on Thursday evening.

What? Floyd is a doper and a cheater. He talks about the silence, he wasn't silenced, he has been blabbing his story for years after finally admitting to being guilty. The UCI has no power or authority from anybody in the US who doped for years to come out and say they doped and man-up years ago. They all kept getting paid and part of the omerta to keep their jobs, and USADA let them all keep their results to get Lance.

BAnd then, finally Kimmage with his "it's all for the children" statement.

Oh, keep sending money BTW!!!

Of course, this statement:

“It’s justice for the kids who came into the sport and thought they had a chance of achieving their dreams but ended up in coffins;.....etc"

WTF does that mean? Is he actually accusing the UCI of killing people by turning their backs on doping because they all just HAD to dope due to pressure? Or is this some very poor choice of metaphors?

I am sure Kimmage is saddened that he has lost your support

 

[Grandillusion]

Zigmeister, did you ever read Kimmage's interview with Landis from a few years back? It's absolutely riveting. Very moving. If you can read that in full and still think "Landis is a piece of s**t", and not see the full horror of the situation pro riders are placed in, then I'm at a loss for words.

 

[eyemgh]

He will be happy though that I gave to the chiper.

I wanted to do it weeks ago, but my slow brain took me this long to figure out that you can't see the widget on an iPad. Doh!

M

 

[autologous]

excellent piece to make you think: The Catalyst

it starts:

Journalist Paul Kimmage is suing the UCI for defamation, slander and fraud.

That’s worth repeating: Paul Kimmage is suing the UCI.

This would be where Wayne and Garth are supposed to say, “Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my b*tt.”

Lo, see the winged orangutans!

excellent, except that he's not suing the UCI for defamation, slander and fraud. So far he's not suing anybody. Early in this thread you were the one that posted the link to Kimmage's lawyer's filing that highlighted that this was a criminal complaint to the prosecutor, not a defamation suit.

 

[thirteen]

Zigmeister, did you ever read Kimmage's interview with Landis from a few years back? It's absolutely riveting. Very moving. If you can read that in full and still think "Landis is a piece of s**t", and not see the full horror of the situation pro riders are placed in, then I'm at a loss for words.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO FLOYD.
An interview with Floyd Landis by Paul Kimmage.
full interview at nyvelocity, for those who are interested.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Zigmeister, did you ever read Kimmage's interview with Landis from a few years back? It's absolutely riveting. Very moving. If you can read that in full and still think "Landis is a piece of s**t", and not see the full horror of the situation pro riders are placed in, then I'm at a loss for words.

It is bizzaro world morality. If you lie and keep lying, you are somehow an honest man. If you admit the lie and then tell the truth, you are just a lying piece of crap.
In reality though Ziggy is just angry that Floyd ratted out his idol, so Floyd must be hated.

 

[Benotti69]

Now I totally lost support for Kimmage with this statement:

"It's justice for Landis and all the others silenced".

and

“This is for everyone who stands up for the truth and anyone who exposed the doping problem in the sport and were treated appallingly by McQuaid and Verbruggen over the last 20 years,” Kimmage told Cyclingnews late on Thursday evening.

What? Floyd is a doper and a cheater. He talks about the silence, he wasn't silenced, he has been blabbing his story for years after finally admitting to being guilty. The UCI has no power or authority from anybody in the US who doped for years to come out and say they doped and man-up years ago. They all kept getting paid and part of the omerta to keep their jobs, and USADA let them all keep their results to get Lance.

BAnd then, finally Kimmage with his "it's all for the children" statement.

Oh, keep sending money BTW!!!

Of course, this statement:

“It’s justice for the kids who came into the sport and thought they had a chance of achieving their dreams but ended up in coffins;.....etc"

WTF does that mean? Is he actually accusing the UCI of killing people by turning their backs on doping because they all just HAD to dope due to pressure? Or is this some very poor choice of metaphors?

I thank you. This post has definitely increased the donations.

 

[GoneWithTailWind]

Completely agree.

Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be.

I also think that everybody's searching for a hero, people need someone to look up to.

We don't need another hero.

 

[thehog]

Yep, this whole development is win win as an earlier poster also said. Great!

Well McQuaid now has the problem that he can't control the Swiss authorities interviewing Saugy and others. In addition they cannot lie under oath. All of it then becomes part of public record. So even if it doesn't move forward they'll still be record of McQuaid making phone calls and pressuring certain people not to give information to the various investigations.

Suing Kimmidge was the stupidest thing the UCI ever did. They awoke a sleeping giant.

 

[Grandillusion]

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO FLOYD.
An interview with Floyd Landis by Paul Kimmage.
full interview at nyvelocity, for those who are interested.

Thanks for the link Thirteen.

 

[Velodude]

Now I totally lost support for Kimmage with this statement:

"It's justice for Landis and all the others silenced".

and

“This is for everyone who stands up for the truth and anyone who exposed the doping problem in the sport and were treated appallingly by McQuaid and Verbruggen over the last 20 years,” Kimmage told Cyclingnews late on Thursday evening.

What? Floyd is a doper and a cheater. He talks about the silence, he wasn't silenced, he has been blabbing his story for years after finally admitting to being guilty. The UCI has no power or authority from anybody in the US who doped for years to come out and say they doped and man-up years ago. They all kept getting paid and part of the omerta to keep their jobs, and USADA let them all keep their results to get Lance.

BAnd then, finally Kimmage with his "it's all for the children" statement.

Oh, keep sending money BTW!!!

Of course, this statement:

“It’s justice for the kids who came into the sport and thought they had a chance of achieving their dreams but ended up in coffins;.....etc"

WTF does that mean? Is he actually accusing the UCI of killing people by turning their backs on doping because they all just HAD to dope due to pressure? Or is this some very poor choice of metaphors?

Ziggy, surely you are not deserting us on this issue also?

 

[DirtyWorks]

“It’s justice for the kids who came into the sport and thought they had a chance of achieving their dreams but ended up in coffins;.....etc"

WTF does that mean? Is he actually accusing the UCI of killing people by turning their backs on doping because they all just HAD to dope due to pressure?

Yes. Exactly. You clearly weren't reading the news, pre-Internet, in the late-1980's when young riders were dying of heart attacks and Hein was pretending nothing was happening. The number of deaths is conservatively estimated between 6 and 16.

Hein has decades of corruption and deaths to answer for. I'll be fair and put the number of deaths he is directly responsible for at at 1. Were there more? Probably. But, at some point it was painfully obvious he was doing nothing. So, 1 becomes a symbolic number.

 

[frenchfry]

Well McQuaid now has the problem that he can't control the Swiss authorities interviewing Saugy and others. In addition they cannot lie under oath. All of it then becomes part of public record. So even if it doesn't move forward they'll still be record of McQuaid making phone calls and pressuring certain people not to give information to the various investigations.

Suing Kimmidge was the stupidest thing the UCI ever did. They awoke a sleeping giant.

Just like the comeback was probably the stupidest thing Armstrong ever did. It was the beginning of the end.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

We don't need another hero.

We don't need to know the way home.

 

[my username is flish]

Can someone post the current fund amount? Can't see it on my machine... thanks.

 

[armchairclimber]

Can someone post the current fund amount? Can't see it on my machine... thanks.

It's not enough.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Yes. Exactly. You clearly weren't reading the news, pre-Internet, in the late-1980's when young riders were dying of heart attacks and Hein was pretending nothing was happening. The number of deaths is conservatively estimated between 6 and 16.

Hein has decades of corruption and deaths to answer for. I'll be fair and put the number of deaths he is directly responsible for at at 1. Were there more? Probably. But, at some point it was painfully obvious he was doing nothing. So, 1 becomes a symbolic number.

I think it's double or triple that personally, not to mention its unclear how many of the EPO generation will live to a grand old age.