Kimmage unleashes hell, counter-sues Verbruggen & McQuaid

[ChewbaccaD]

Really, some people should take a course in reading comprehension:
Good thing some are able to read.

Yep, a bad situation, but what can one do about anonimous people on fregging twotter? Just dont believe them is my advice.

Reading comprehension would be useful to you actually. The quote you provided is in the body of the post. However, at the bottom, it CLEARLY says the T&C's are yet to be determined...so...since you're such a trusting guy, I have $10000 worth of diamonds I will sell you for $1000. You send me the money, and I will tell you the terms and conditions for receiving those diamonds after I get the money. Just PM me with your paypal account information in the meantime...

People like you make more jobs for lawyers. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

 

[Froome19]

There are no T&C's on the website. An email response from the website said the T&C's would be provided AFTER the refund window closes.

insane

Exactly ...

 

[trailrunner]

There are no T&C's on the website. An email response from the website said the T&C's would be provided AFTER the refund window closes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU

 

[cathulu]

Aaron Brown, I want my money back but I can't trust you to do the right thing with this website of yours. If somebody would be so kind, it would be nice if you could punch him in the face and send me a pic. He is out of my reach otherwise I would do it. Is that bad of me? I can't help my feelings for the pos.

 

[ElChingon]

Reading comprehension would be useful to you actually. The quote you provided is in the body of the post. However, at the bottom, it CLEARLY says the T&C's are yet to be determined...so...since you're such a trusting guy, I have $10000 worth of diamonds I will sell you for $1000. You send me the money, and I will tell you the terms and conditions for receiving those diamonds after I get the money. Just PM me with your paypal account information in the meantime...

People like you make more jobs for lawyers. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Everyone one of these cycling funds for good or bad have come back the same way, the donators getting pinched. I just hope this is the last one but know very well the next one will be around the corner and repeat the same thing. This is beyond reading comprehension but common sense of thinking a cool twitter handle and a few snarky jokes will do the right thing having never met said do gooder(s). No wonder Nigeria continues to do their cashiers check scams, they still work!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Everyone one of these cycling funds for good or bad have come back the same way, the donators getting pinched. I just hope this is the last one but know very well the next one will be around the corner and repeat the same thing. This is beyond reading comprehension but common sense of thinking a cool twitter handle and a few snarky jokes will do the right thing having never met said do gooder(s). No wonder Nigeria continues to do their cashiers check scams, they still work!

That's a fair critique.

 

[AussieGoddess]

Having visited the site, I hoped for and would have expected something along the lines of the classic 'we will not sell or otherwise provide your data to anyone'.

If, however, my reading comprehension did not permit me to see this part I would appreciate your pointing it out.

This is not to say I don't appreciate what is apparently being done, but must weigh off the <$1,000 versus any risk of potentially having my identity stolen.

Paypal is designed, purposefully to protect arms-length relationships.

Why do they need more than the transaction # itself? Clearly Paypal can make sure the funds go back to where they came from, and is pretty good at it.

Dave.

Under the form to submit for a refund it does say

All information obtained will only be used to provide a refund to the donors. All information obtained will remain in confidence, and will not be provided to any third parties for any reason. All information submitted by individuals on this form will not be revealed in any public forum for any purpose.

its not a guarantee though - remember who we are dealing with

I do get that the email address etc might be required ... the original paypal account that people donated to has been closed, and the money transferred to another account - which might conceivably cause them some minor identification issues. The info they are asking for (payapl email address, transaction id, amount) seems to be fine AFAIK.

That is a long way from a guarantee that all is on the up and up though.

His 'explanation' is a heap of utter complete crap, so I wouldnt be holding my breath for anything here.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/statement-on-the-kimmage-defense-fund/

Leslie responds to Brown's nonsense

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Why do they need more than the transaction # itself? Clearly Paypal can make sure the funds go back to where they came from, and is pretty good at it.

Dave.

Good point Dave, the wonderfull world of paypal.

I did not say it was a beautifull solution.

Reading comprehension would be useful to you actually. The quote you provided is in the body of the post. However, at the bottom, it CLEARLY says the T&C's are yet to be determined...so...since you're such a trusting guy, I have $10000 worth of diamonds I will sell you for $1000. You send me the money, and I will tell you the terms and conditions for receiving those diamonds after I get the money. Just PM me with your paypal account information in the meantime...
People like you make more jobs for lawyers. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Thanks, I bet you are the smartest cookie on the block chewie. Too wise to fall for dumb things and all.

Some people are really obsessed. Get of that selfproclaimed high horse fella.

When one is dumb enough to trust a twotter sucker called UCI Overlord dont come b@tching about losing money. For whatever good cause.

Yeah it stinks, get over it.

 

[D-Queued]

Good point Dave, the wonderfull world of paypal.

I did not say it was a beautifull solution.

Thanks, I bet you are the smartest cookie on the block chewie. Too wise to fall for dumb things and all.

Some people are really obsessed. Get of that selfproclaimed high horse fella.

When one is dumb enough to trust a twotter sucker called UCI Overlord dont come b@tching about losing money. For whatever good cause.

Yeah it stinks, get over it.

I have been a big critic of Paypal in the past (in my professional life, actually), but this is a no brainer for them.

... and they have addressed most/all of my previous concerns.

Dave.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Good point Dave, the wonderfull world of paypal.

I did not say it was a beautifull solution.

Thanks, I bet you are the smartest cookie on the block chewie. Too wise to fall for dumb things and all.

Some people are really obsessed. Get of that selfproclaimed high horse fella.

When one is dumb enough to trust a twotter sucker called UCI Overlord dont come b@tching about losing money. For whatever good cause.

Yeah it stinks, get over it.

I'm not b!tching about losing money. I gave my money to help Kimmage, and some of that money went to his attorneys. I love a happy ending. I don't even care what happens to the rest of it honestly. I'm merely pointing out that you apparently cannot read.

Get over it.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/statement-on-the-kimmage-defense-fund/

Leslie responds to Brown's nonsense

The difference legally between that, and what Brown posted on a website, is clear and measurable.

There is no reason what-so-ever that the funds, if there are any, should remain in the hands of an interested party at this point.

 

[Bannockburn]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/10/interview-with-aaron-brown-aka-uci_overlord/

Within all the puffery included in this, one thing jumps out at me: Why did Aaron meet Pat in March? How exactly did that come about?

I try to cut (most) people slack in this world, but man, this guy needs a fist shoved down his throat.

 

[D-Queued]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/10/interview-with-aaron-brown-aka-uci_overlord/

Within all the puffery included in this, one thing jumps out at me: Why did Aaron meet Pat in March? How exactly did that come about?

I try to cut (most) people slack in this world, but man, this guy needs a fist shoved down his throat.

I am not ready to jump all over him, as he may be trying to do the right thing here.

But, while nothing is ever perfectly executed there are some questions that arise from the current implementation regarding its legitimacy.

If it is legitimate, and if user data is secure, then I can turn the other cheek.

Regards, David

 

[MarkvW]

It's been months and there's been no disclosure about the status of the funds, besides words coming from Brown's mouth. A verified bank statement wouldn't be hard to provide, if the funds really existed.

 

[Bannockburn]

I am not ready to jump all over him, as he may be trying to do the right thing here.

But, while nothing is ever perfectly executed there are some questions that arise from the current implementation regarding its legitimacy.

If it is legitimate, and if user data is secure, then I can turn the other cheek.

Regards, David

I should have more specific as to what got to me. It wasn't the details, or lack thereof, of the financials but rather his constant attempts to sell himself as some sort of victim in this. No matter how this resolves itself I just will not buy that he is anything close to a victim here. Not a surprise that he's been able to charm people in a variety of instances, though -- the guy has all the makings of a pathological liar.

"The only truth that matters is the one you make up."

 

[ElChingon]

I should have more specific as to what got to me. It wasn't the details, or lack thereof, of the financials but rather his constant attempts to sell himself as some sort of victim in this. No matter how this resolves itself I just will not buy that he is anything close to a victim here. Not a surprise that he's been able to charm people in a variety of instances, though -- the guy has all the makings of a pathological liar.

"The only truth that matters is the one you make up."

No one is a victim. This is a sport for fun and gambling, anyone playing a victim is just out for some self induced drama, which as you know is part of athletics these days. Victim's... awe its as if they were lined up and forced to race/watch/read on cycling

 

[D-Queued]

No one is a victim. This is a sport for fun and gambling, anyone playing a victim is just out for some self induced drama, which as you know is part of athletics these days. Victim's... awe its as if they were lined up and forced to race/watch/read on cycling

Well stated.

However, what really caught my eye was your sig:

CyclingNews Forum Member Number 1. (verified)
All my posts are of my own opinion.
October 10, 2012 The Reasoned Decision
Points: 10 CN Infraction Points

You may have had that up for some time, so my apologies for what may be slow reading comprehension.

1. Congrats on being #1
2. Big one year anniversary tomorrow
3. 10 points? How do you get 10 points? How do you even know how many you have? I only ever got one point, and am a slow learner.

Dave.

 

[Morbius]

UCI have dropped the case against Kimmage

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...n-is-ending-UCI-legal-action-against-him.aspx

Kimmage now says "Brian has genuinely my best wishes that he can take the sport to where it needs to go”

 

[Dazed and Confused]

UCI have dropped the case against Kimmage

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...n-is-ending-UCI-legal-action-against-him.aspx

Kimmage now says "Brian has genuinely my best wishes that he can take the sport to where it needs to go”

Good, but easy decision by Cookson.

 

[heart_attack_man]

UCI have dropped the case against Kimmage

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...n-is-ending-UCI-legal-action-against-him.aspx

Kimmage now says "Brian has genuinely my best wishes that he can take the sport to where it needs to go”

Very genuinely happy for PK. Having something like this dangling over your head is a stress that you do not need in your life. I hope Paul enjoys a quiet one or two tonight to celebrate.

Also very good to see Cookson starting to do some good things. Hope he keeps it up.

 

[thehog]

Very genuinely happy for PK. Having something like this dangling over your head is a stress that you do not need in your life. I hope Paul enjoys a quiet one or two tonight to celebrate.

Also very good to see Cookson starting to do some good things. Hope he keeps it up.

I would agree. And with little fanfare. Unlike his predecessor.

 

[ElChingon]

OK, great no more legal slow stepping. When does Paul get down to business on his accusations? Or will he drop them as well, signing off on a T&R with the UCI?

 

[Race Radio]

Aaron likes to say "It's in the hands of the lawyers"....the same lawyers who want to drop him because he does not communicate with them?

Brown’s lawyer was seeking to terminate her involvement with the case, saying: "Unfortunately, Aaron failed to communicate or cooperate with his lawyer, to such an extent that she sent me pleadings asking the Court to allow her to withdraw as Counsel.

road.cc/content/news/96093-kimmage-fund-donor-joins-lawsuit-behalf-all-contributors

 

[Benotti69]

My guess is the money is gone, whether spent or moved out of the USA, and Brown will not go back to States to avoid jail time.