kurtinsc said:You don't understand. I believe every cyclist who acomplishes anything of note in a major event is a doper.
I'm saying what Kloden is doing isn't extraordinary as some seem to suggest. Pretty much everyone holds on until somewhere between 33 and 38... when declines hit. I don't think the ones that start failing at 33 are cleaner then the ones who start failing at 38. There isn't some magic number where if you are older than that and successful then you're proven to be a doper.
You're winning cycling events against other dopers... that's proof enough. The age of decline is still genetics in my mind... with a slight chance of having "better stuff".
I thought Kloden had started to decline last year. It appears not... but I don't think he upped his doping regimine this year or took last year off the juice... he just had a bad year on the same level of stuff he has been taking.
My point is access to better/more stuff helps to arrest the decline at which dopers on the normal mix would decline. The guys you cited are serious dopers as opposed to your normal peloton doper.
Hrotha - DM as with most things - is perhaps the exception to the rule.