Kolo Toure tests positive (Football)

[Paco_P]

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As for Pep.G, great mangers can and do come from nowhere. Look at Mourinho, not one knew him outside of Portugal/Barca before they won the Champions League in 2005. Regardless of whether his team are "enhanced", to manage a squad of those collective talents and to keep them motivated to become better, is down to Pep. No amount of Dope in the world could change those factors.

Plus the fact he was always going to be a great manager, the leadership and ability to read the game when he was playing showed that he always had it in him. Similar to Roy Keane, who i think has all the skills, except for man-management (hence his "failings" everywhere except Sunderland), whereas Pep has M-M in spades.

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You mean the Pep G. who was a big star in Spain, played on Spain's national side, etc., etc., who is the golden boy of the Barca system? Or do you mean the Pep G. who tested positive for nandrolone use while playing in Italy, but was lated exonerated, like he was Lance or something?

Pep's a great manager, but lots of people could manage the human growth hormone (aka Leo 'La Pulga' Messi) and the never tiring armada behind him. Even some unknown Portuguese guy who, while an assistant coach at Barca, coached Pep Guardiola.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I love your boys' enthusiasm, but isn't this a cycling site? I know you have multiple sites for this sort of chatter, how about you hit those?

Unless I can see some cross-over to the cycling world, I'm gonna start ****ing.

Look out, Francois may get you...

 

[ksmith]

I love your boys' enthusiasm, but isn't this a cycling site? I know you have multiple sites for this sort of chatter, how about you hit those?

Unless I can see some cross-over to the cycling world, I'm gonna start ****ing.

Look out, Francois may get you...

There's some pretty good stuff on this thread regarding other sports and how they conduct testing the same as a lot of other threads.

It is marked football as well

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

There's some pretty good stuff on this thread regarding other sports and how they conduct testing the same as a lot of other threads.

It is marked football as well

Fair 'nough. I'll take a yellow for being pre-emptively cranky.

It has been an interesting chat. I don't follow footy too closely, so it's been enlightening to hear the goods from those who are into it. Ta.

 

[The Hitch]

There's some pretty good stuff on this thread regarding other sports and how they conduct testing the same as a lot of other threads.

It is marked football as well

Moreover football doesnt really have much space for doping chats seeing as its officialy "clean" and if you do try to talk to football fans about it, you certianatly wont get the open minded opinions of these boards. And these boards are full of people who know a lot about doping which you wont find elsewhere.

 

[BYOP88]

Kolo Toure has been given a 6 month ban, so can play again on Sep 2nd as the suspension was backdated to March 2nd. Maybe cyclists when banned should bring up footballers bans!

 

[luckyboy]

Pretty pathetic seeing as he took them knowingly.

 

[euanli]

One journalist said WADA weren't happy. I wonder if we will see an appeal over it.

 

[Frosty]

For those unfamiliar with the football/soccer season in the UK, the season has just finished and starts some time again in mid-August(13th),. Not sure how much his ban covers though, would have thought he can train with the team?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/9498185.stm

 

[Kerbdog]

You should read this piece -The drugs do work and that's why players can't say no.

Some pieces from it:

Just saw Toure's punishment, ridiculous. It will all be soon forgotten nothing to see here etc.
Just in response to Maseratis link above, i know a fair bit about the guy who wrote the piece Richard Sadlier. He's involved in soccer punditry now but was involved in a club in our beloved League of Ireland for a while. He is very credible & one of the most honest guys to sit in front of a camera.

 

[euanli]

Three weeks. He shouldn't be allowed at the clubs training ground, but he probably will be.

 

[euanli]

Here is the FA's ruling:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/toure-suspended

5. His status during his suspension is as provided by Regulation 32: he cannot participate in any football match or any other football related activity other than anti-doping education or rehabilitation programmes.

That would suggest he isn't allowed training with the team.

Its funny looking at how much blind faith football fans have compared to even Armstrong followers. And if anything they can be even more vile. I've seen people who have a strict anti doping stance in cycling contradict themselves because they are Man City fans.

 

[MrRoboto]

Resting heart rate 35... I cramp sometimes but that's because I sweat too much and don't replace the salts and fluids because i can't run/play football with fluid in my belly. You never run 100m flat out in a game but are constantly doing 10m all out efforts and strides of up to 80m (sometimes all out sprints) and then you are tired but if you're halfway fit you recover quick enough. I can still run 100m in under 11secs so yes I am quite 'superman' if you want to call it that but I rarely use my all out pace over distance in football because I want to be in certain places on the pitch during certain phases of play in order to not forgo my defensive responsibilities. I will however use my 100% acceleration all game and it is tiring but not nearly as tiring as alpine road racing. I vomit regularly doing anaerobic training. Sometimes I pass out. Passing out is 100% and vomiting is close to that. And I have only vomited twice in a game of football. In mountain bike racing I vomited pretty much every race... less so in road racing. As I said before if you read the game well and are tactically astute you rarely do 100% efforts over distance in football.

Sure it wasn't under 10 secs?

 

[benny_profane]

so he's effectively been banned for 3 weeks for a positive test. Good work, FA

 

[Mambo95]

so he's effectively been banned for 3 weeks for a positive test. Good work, FA

He hasn't played for the last three months of this season.

 

[nevada]

honest mistake and Football doesnt have the same dope problem cycling does.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

He hasn't played for the last three months of this season.

True. But it's interesting that when the FA want to, they ban players for a number of games rather than a period of time.

 

[benny_profane]

honest mistake and Football doesnt have the same dope problem cycling does.

You know there have been cases of footballers taking EPO, high hematocrit levels, the same thing that would get you banned for two years in cycling, right?

If it was an honest mistake, it's incredibly stupid for a footballer playing at the highest level who, at a club like Man City, is probably surrounded by doctors, nutritionists, etc. to just take some of his wife's pills he found lying around.

 

[euanli]

His brother played for Barcelona.

Just saying you know.

 

[Mambo95]

True. But it's interesting that when the FA want to, they ban players for a number of games rather than a period of time.

That's because those bans are really short. If they ban someone for two weeks that player might not have a game in those two weeks, or he may have four. That's why they do 1,2 or 3 game bans (more in very rare cases) - it evens things up.

 

[euanli]

it was my understanding if the FA ban a player for breaking their rules then it is a match ban. But since drug rules are WADA rules and they deal in months they can only hand out bans over a period of time.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

That's because those bans are really short. If they ban someone for two weeks that player might not have a game in those two weeks, or he may have four. That's why they do 1,2 or 3 game bans (more in very rare cases) - it evens things up.

Paul Davis - 9 games - Off the ball jaw-breaking punch
Mark Dennis - 8 games - Generally being a complete headcase
Paulo Di Canio - 11 games - Comedy referee push
Frank Sinclair - 9 games - Headbutting the same referee.

Yes, the logic of banning players for a number of games rather than a period of time was what I was trying to point out. The FA didn't apply it.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

it was my understanding if the FA ban a player for breaking their rules then it is a match ban. But since drug rules are WADA rules and they deal in months they can only hand out bans over a period of time.

Aah. OK cheers for that.

 

[Mambo95]

it was my understanding if the FA ban a player for breaking their rules then it is a match ban. But since drug rules are WADA rules and they deal in months they can only hand out bans over a period of time.

Yeah, you're right. When they ban a player for, say, five matches, that only applies to domestic matches. They still get to play in Europe (if their team's good enough).

 

[euanli]

Though FIFA or UEFA can hand down a all competitions ban if it is serious enough