Kolo Toure tests positive (Football)

[hrotha]

time for another one of these lame "let's put things in perspective" distractions on a cycling forum......when you get tired/bored of discussing all the doping in cycling, it's high time to focus your collective attentions somewhere else it appears.

hope you all can feel better now after successfully pointing your fingers someone besides the actual problem...carry on.

That might make some sense if people here were making up excuses instead of discussing every single piece of news about doping in cycling. You know we currently have a thread about doping in French u23 cycling, right?

 

[Met de Versnelling]

time for another one of these lame "let's put things in perspective" distractions on a cycling forum......when you get tired/bored of discussing all the doping in cycling, it's high time to focus your collective attentions somewhere else it appears.

hope you all can feel better now after successfully pointing your fingers someone besides the actual problem...carry on.

At what point have we just gone, "Oh Kolo Toure, blah blah, self righteousness"?

What this thread has highlighted is:

1) The lack of doping controls in other sports, hence, is cycling's poor reputation due to the fact we do more?

2) That other sports have had similar heart problem related death's as cycling's.

3) Although not explicitly expressed, there seems to be an underlying theme of hope, that other sports may in future come round to doing as much as cycling.

Given not one post has aimed vitriol at Toure in the manner we do with PED users from our own sport, i'd say the comment of "hope you all can feel better now after successfully pointing your fingers someone besides the actual problem...carry on." is far off the mark.

But hey-ho. Woe betide me for not having the "cycling's the only sport with a dope problem" blinkers on


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Was looking up the specified substance thing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hamilton_academical/9407839.stm

4 weeks for Methylhexaneamine

Same substance as Rui Costa and his bro, got 4 months.

Consistent enough in my eyes. BUT, both cases, contaminated supplements, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's methylhexaneamine to be honest, it seems to crop up a fair bit.

In which case, we can't accuse Football of sweeping this case under the carpet, as long as Toure at least get a month long ban (and at most 4 months).

There's still a bigger, deep rooted problem there though.

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Another Edit:

Methylhexaneamine is DMAA. Basically a subsitute for BZP. This stuff will get you a bit of a gurn going on if you take too much. - Wonder if Tomekke and Ulle have heard about it?

 

[Met de Versnelling]

Sorry Eco, it looks like we were both writing our OP's at the same time.

Second that point, admin's wanna merge them?

 

[Mellow Velo]

I expect Contador's legal eagles to latch onto this line of defence:

The World Anti-Doping Agency defines a specified substance as one that is "more susceptible to a credible, non-doping explanation".

The Wada punishment for such a positive test ranges from a warning to a two-year ban.

Hamilton Academicals midfielder Simon Mensing recently served a four-week ban after a specified substance was detected in his system.

Some major ball sucking could lead to a positive test.

 

[The Hitch]

Oh my god. Ive been waiting for this for such a long time.

Its so painful to watch this thing of ours being labelled a sport of doping and motherless c******* **** like Nadal saying its a problem limited to our thing.

Puerto , Juventus, the 98 world cup winning captains hematocrit all show that there is doping in football.

Only Blatter says there is no problem. The media says there is no problem. There are very few tests.

Its a miracle somebody got caught.

 

[The Hitch]

Or was it Miklós Fehér? No, wait, Antonio Puerta?

I never thought i would even look at let alone post that picture. It cost me pain before. But alas.

 

[maltiv]

Interesting. "French cyclist admits doping" appears somewhere on the top of the page on most norwegian newspapers. The article about this positive test in football was much more hidden. When I finally found it it merely says that he is caught for doping, but it is clear that they are basically saying that he must be innocent.

Absolutely hilarious how obvious it is that the media are on the hunt for doping scandals in cycling while they cover up anything related to doping when it comes to football.

 

[Frosty]

FWIW it is the main headline on the the Sun website (UK)

 

[Frosty]

Well this thread has more posts so i'll put it here

No official word but Mirror says rumours say it is methylhexaneamine.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...after-failing-a-drugs-test-article710358.html

They sound pretty sure about a nine-month ban but i think that is based on the longest ban for a football player in recent years being nine months. Dont think it quite works like that, be interesting to see what Toure's defence is.

 

[hrotha]

Do they even test for EPO in football? Didn't the ATP refuse to test for CERA because it wasn't used in tennis (sic)? Didn't all Parma players in the mid 90s have around 54-55% hematocrit? Do they have chaperones?

 

[thehog]

What about Lance?

 

[Met de Versnelling]

Do they even test for EPO in football? Didn't the ATP refuse to test for CERA because it wasn't used in tennis (sic)? Didn't all Parma players in the mid 90s have around 54-55% hematocrit? Do they have chaperones?

From: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...wenger-suspects-imports-of-doping-543006.html - (Cheers Libertine for finding that one)

"No footballer in Britain has ever tested positive for EPO: but that is not surprising. EPO tests are never routinely done on footballers' samples. "I'd guarantee that very few [footballers'] tests, if any, would have anything to do with EPO," Michele Verroken, the former Director of Ethics and Drug-Free Sport at UK Sport, said yesterday. UK Sport is the body which conducts drugs tests in Britain on behalf of the Football Association.

"The technology where you can test for EPO in urine is very sophisticated and the FA would probably have to pay a premium for it," Verroken added.

A spokesman for UK Sport confirmed that the extra cost to the FA of testing for EPO - as opposed to just testing for more "common" performance-enhancing or recreational drugs - was "significant."

There's also some number's in there.

The one that stands out?

0.

 

[Mambo95]

Yesterday, I had a little disagreement with another poster by saying that cycling had the most stringent testing. Let's see how this one pans out.

I first heard about this tonight while with non-cycling fan friends. They expected he'd get banned to the end of the season, six months tops. (I pointed out that it would be two years and they all said BS). However, that's without knowing what the drug is.

 

[The Hitch]

Do they even test for EPO in football? Didn't the ATP refuse to test for CERA because it wasn't used in tennis (sic)? Didn't all Parma players in the mid 90s have around 54-55% hematocrit? Do they have chaperones?

That Parma stat sounds amazing.

I remember hearing that Blatter said there would be no tests for blood doping at the 2006 world cup because there is no blood doping in football.

And as touched on earlier, the guy who lifted the world cup in 98- didier deschamps had a 50+ hermatocrit.

And it sounds like something the atp would do yes.

 

[hrotha]

That Parma stat sounds amazing.

I remember hearing that Blatter said there would be no tests for blood doping at the 2006 world cup because there is no blood doping in football.

And as touched on earlier, the guy who lifted the world cup in 98- didier deschamps had a 50+ hermatocrit.

And it sounds like something the atp would do yes.

For a moment I fear I might be misremembering things, but:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/112713-la-polemica-por-el-doping-tambien-estallo-en-parma

Okay, 54-55% is an exaggeration, most seemed to be slightly above 50%, but one guy had SIXTY-THREE percent. You know who? Alessandro Nista. The THIRD goalkeeper.

 

[Mambo95]

What about Lance?

Armstrong knows Wiggins who supports Arsenal, who Toure used to play for. A coincidence? I think not. It's all part of the system. Lance dopes Arsenal, Wiggins keeps quiet. The links are there. Join the dots!

One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. Wheels within wheels. We're through the looking glass here, people

 

[blackcat]

Jaap Stamn
Edgar Davids

 

[blackcat]

Armstrong knows Wiggins who supports Arsenal, who Toure used to play for. A coincidence? I think not. It's all part of the system. Lance dopes Arsenal, Wiggins keeps quiet. The links are there. Join the dots!

One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. Wheels within wheels. We're through the looking glass here, people

Wigans supports Wigans, but hoped for a transfer to Manchester U.

 

[ksmith]

I read the U.K. papers reports on the doping, had to go out and buy a box of kleenex to wipe the tears away. The poor footballer. WADA setting it up to let him off. It sounds like the South Africa rugby team repeated. Good job he's not a cyclist cos he'd be under the bloody bus by now.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the biggest shock here is theyve actually caught someone

The premiership probably has the most pointless anti doping procedures of any sport.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Well, it's certainly all over the news now.
Arsene Wegner has put it out there, that he "accidentally" took one of his wife's slimming pills.
Now, how his former manager would come to know this, is anybody's guess..
All I know is; if a cyclist came up with such a lame excuse, the buses would have to form an orderly queue.
However, given the sport and it's anti-doping ignorance, he will undoubtedly get a walk.

 

[The Hitch]

Well, it's certainly all over the news now.
Arsene Wegner has put it out there, that he "accidentally" took one of his wife's slimming pills.
Now, how his former manager would come to know this, is anybody's guess..
All I know is; if a cyclist came up with such a lame excuse, the buses would have to form an orderly queue.
However, given the sport and it's anti-doping ignorance, he will undoubtedly get a walk.

All the more surprising about Wegner saying that is that Wegner was the one who said he has had players come in with suspicious blood results.

Now hes defending doping.

Maybe what he meant with the first comment was that it was so surprising that those footballers came in with no masking agents.

 

[Benotti69]

bbc sports news have said the 'substance' is apparently one of his wife's slimming pills?

Does this sound like Clen?

If it is, I bet AC will be kicking himself for not thinking of it.

 

[LugHugger]

The club's statement said it was a 'specified statement'. That means it's something pretty serious according to the WADA list. Anabolics, EPO, insulin, growth hormone, HCG, infusions/transfusions, corticotrophins, gene doping, tampering with samples and more are included under 'specified substances'.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...hibited-list/WADA_Prohibited_List_2010_EN.pdf

Actually, it's the complete opposite. This taken from WADA's site:

“specified substances” are substances that are more susceptible to a credible, non-doping explanation. If the athlete can prove that he or she did not intend to enhance performance by using them to the satisfaction of the results management authority, the sanction under the World Anti-Doping Code can go from a warning to a 2-year ban.

If indeed, the explanation is the use of diet pills owned by Toure's wife, I seriously doubt that he will get more than a few months ban.

I'm in no way condoning the use of these products but let's please keep some perspective. This is a long way from the systemic doping present in pro cycling.

 

[hrotha]

What systematic doping in cycling? It's always a steak, a dog, a mother-in-law, candy, an unborn twin or whiskey. Or a diet pill.