Kreuziger going down?

[Lanark]

Oleg is doing the impossible, making his team look even less likeable than Sky.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If we are to belive Tiernan-Locke's sister there are lots of letters sent out to riders about values needing explanation. Meanwhile very few cyclists have been sanctioned on the basis of the biological passport so far.

This is the rumor. The UCI is safe and quite powerful working it this way. They can then fire up sanctions as needed.

Smarty pants Tinkoff should demand in the contract that the rider must declare any possible pending doping cases. Then he can sue the rider for his lost money. But of course he'd rather sue UCI and

How will the rider know if there's a case pending? They don't know until the UCI opens the case. The UCI wants it both ways. Oleg is right to go after the UCI on this issue. I'm not saying his team is cleans, but on this administrative point, Oleg is right.

 

[poupou]

What would have happened if UCI told Oleg that Kreuziger was probably doping, and never convicted?
Would Kreuziger have sued UCI to have damaged his value?

I think the only thing they can do for sure is to give the BP file to team. the rest seems more complicated.

 

[TheSpud]

Oleg for UCI president!

Actually Oleg may have a point / case there. If the UCI had already informed Kreuz about anomalies before he signed for TS and these weren't disclosed that doesn't look good in my view.

 

[mrhender]

Actually Oleg may have a point / case there. If the UCI had already informed Kreuz about anomalies before he signed for TS and these weren't disclosed that doesn't look good in my view.

The bolded is important here...
Most teams claim to run extensive "vet" before signing..
They should then ask any rider of potential problems regarding this issue..
If the rider then lies, then any sensible team would have included proviso for these scenarios...

Either way UCI cannot destabalise any riders value and ability to negotiate contracts when no conclusion is made to current investigations as poupou pointed out..

 

[pastronef]

Oleg is doing the impossible, making his team look even less likeable than Sky.

he will not succeed in making his team less likeable that Sky. even with Rogers, Kreuziger, De Jongh, Bjarne, Bertie.
Sky will always be evil, no matter what they do.

 

[sniper]

Oleg is doing the impossible, making his team look even less likeable than Sky.

as far as i can tell, tinkoff is not showing any of the symptoms that make sky so disliked.
no BS about zero tolerance whilst hiring doping docs.
no BS about transparency whilst not providing basic rider data.
not employing the UCI president's son.
etc.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Actually Oleg may have a point / case there. If the UCI had already informed Kreuz about anomalies before he signed for TS and these weren't disclosed that doesn't look good in my view.

When you dabble with dopers sometime fingers gets burned.

Sounds like amateurish contact write up on behalf of Tinkoff.

 

[deValtos]

Oleg is doing the impossible, making his team look even less likeable than Sky.

"I do not care what you do, just do not get caught."

Can't get any lower than that.

Doped riders.
Doping doctors.
Doping manager.
Doping DS's.

This team needs to be banned pronto.

 

[the sceptic]

"I do not care what you do, just do not get caught."

Can't get any lower than that.

Doped riders.
Doping doctors.
Doping manager.
Doping DS's.

This team needs to be banned pronto.

Oleg likes to win, and he seem to be willing to do whatever it takes. When sky doped as much as they did, other teams had to do the same to catch up.

But at least we dont see Tinkoff riders cheating with TUEs. That is much worse.

 

[pastronef]

Oleg likes to win, and he seem to be willing to do whatever it takes. When sky doped as much as they did, other teams had to do the same to catch up.
But at least we dont see Tinkoff riders cheating with TUEs. That is much worse.

ahahhahah! it's always Sky's fault

 

[deValtos]

Oleg likes to win, and he seem to be willing to do whatever it takes. When sky doped as much as they did, other teams had to do the same to catch up.

But at least we dont see Tinkoff riders cheating with TUEs. That is much worse.

What are you saying cheating with TUE's is worse than ?

Cheating with BB's ? Cheating with EPO ? HGH, Amphetamines, Steroids ?

 

[del1962]

ahahhahah! it's always Sky's fault

Touche

 

[the sceptic]

What are you saying cheating with TUE's is worse than ?

Cheating with BB's ? Cheating with EPO ? HGH, Amphetamines, Steroids ?

Everyone cheats with doping. That is part of the game.

But the UCI handing out an express TUE to Froome shows that they are giving favours to Sky that they might not give to others. And that is extremely unfair.

 

[Granville57]

From CN San Sebastián live feed:

This just in, from our Dan Benson: Roman Kreuziger (Tinkoff Saxo) has been provisionally suspended UCI Anti-doping Commission.

 

[Afrank]

Article on it.

“Roman received a letter from the anti doping commission this afternoon. They believe that there’s a likelihood that results will be affected if he races and that as a result he should be suspended. He’s provisionally suspended until the case has been decided,” Tinkoff-Saxo general manager Stefano Feltrin told Cyclingnews.

“As a team will be comply with the decision but it’s very bad timing the day before the start of a WorldTour race,” Feltrin told Cyclingnews.
“This is affecting the team. It’s a very bold and aggressive decision from the anti-doping commissions who believe in a verdict before a trial. They’re treating him like this is an A sample positive.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rom...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

 

[infeXio]

Amateur timing

 

[manafana]

something that should have come up a long time ago. Can't let things hang out for so long it needs to be more immediate and action be quick

 

[roundabout]

I dunno. Attempting to field him was a **** move, but I am also not sure from what date would a possible ban begin.

 

[Granville57]

‏@dnlbenson
According to Tinkoff Saxo, UCI has suspended Kreuziger under rules 242 and 313 of the anti-doping code.

..........

 

[the sceptic]

Well now we know why Tinkov was so upset yesterday

 

[luckyboy]

‏@dnlbenson
According to Tinkoff Saxo, UCI has suspended Kreuziger under rules 242 and 313 of the anti-doping code.

242. 1. If after the review described in articles 204 to 231 the UCI asserts that an anti-doping violation
under article 21.1 or article 21.2 was committed, the Anti-Doping Commission or one of its
members may ban the Rider from participating in Events for such time that the violation, in the
opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member, is likely to affect the Rider’s results.
2. Where the ban is intended to last more than one week, the Rider shall be given an opportunity
to file written submissions before the ban goes into effect or on a timely basis thereafter.


313. In addition to the automatic Disqualification of the results in the Competition pursuant to article 288
and except as provided in articles 289 to 292, all other competitive results obtained from the date a
positive Sample was collected (whether In-Competition or Out-of-Competition) or other anti-doping
rule violation occurred, through the commencement of any Provisional Suspension or Ineligibility
period, shall, unless fairness requires otherwise, be Disqualified.
Comment: 1) it may be considered as unfair to disqualify the results which were not likely to
have been affected by the Rider’s anti-doping rule violation.
2) an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under article 21.4 shall be deemed to have occurred
on the date of the third Whereabouts Failure.

 

[Rollthedice]

Well now we know why Tinkov was so upset yesterday

And probably the reason he hit the bottle so hard.

 

[the sceptic]

242. 1. If after the review described in articles 204 to 231 the UCI asserts that an anti-doping violation
under article 21.1 or article 21.2 was committed, the Anti-Doping Commission or one of its
members may ban the Rider from participating in Events for such time that the violation, in the
opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member, is likely to affect the Rider’s results.
2. Where the ban is intended to last more than one week, the Rider shall be given an opportunity
to file written submissions before the ban goes into effect or on a timely basis thereafter.


313. In addition to the automatic Disqualification of the results in the Competition pursuant to article 288
and except as provided in articles 289 to 292, all other competitive results obtained from the date a
positive Sample was collected (whether In-Competition or Out-of-Competition) or other anti-doping
rule violation occurred, through the commencement of any Provisional Suspension or Ineligibility
period, shall, unless fairness requires otherwise, be Disqualified.
Comment: 1) it may be considered as unfair to disqualify the results which were not likely to
have been affected by the Rider’s anti-doping rule violation.
2) an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under article 21.4 shall be deemed to have occurred
on the date of the third Whereabouts Failure.

that certainly clears everything up

Can someone translate that for those of us who are a bit slow?

 

[the sceptic]

The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) has imposed a provisional suspension with immediate effect on Tinkoff-Saxo’s rider Roman Kreuziger (Czech Republic) in connection with the recent assertion of an anti-doping rule violation based on his athlete biological passport. The decision was taken following confirmation received on August 1st, 2014 that Roman Kreuziger intended to participate in the upcoming Tour of Poland and Vuelta a España. At this stage of the procedure, the UCI will not comment any further.

So the UCI basically told Tinkov to go **** himself. Looking forward to see how this develops.