Kreuziger going down?

[FoxxyBrown1111]

... now only Ricco is missing (havn´t ruled out AC yet).
Could be a farce like the TdF 2006 or 2007...

 

[thehog]

The vuelta is shaping up to be a great circus this year.

Hope David Miller can ride the Vuelta also so we can be lectured on how clean cycling has become.

 

[Nilsson]

CN seem to think that the case has been opened

But anyway, did Locke have a special contract, because Sky had no problem in suspending him.

Or they actually have a backbone unlike tinkoff.

Or Locke was crap so it was no big loss (but then again they did pull Henao).

It's still hilarious to read Feltrin using the contract fig leaf.

Locke was a different case. A case was formally opened against him.

Henao is a a more similar case. He was pulled from the team - after a bull**** story, but in reality he had the same problem as Kreuziger: there might be problem and there might be a case. After 'thorough internal research' a.k.a. giving counter arguments in the proces behind the scenes and waiting on the sidelines - Sky decided to let him ride again in Switerzerland.

Concerning Feltrin. He's a business lawyer, not a sensitive ethics professor. There's no legal ground on which he could suspend Kreuziger (remember the LL Sanchez case of last year?). Let alone the fact that sidelining a guy who's (possibly) innocent, and hasn't even an official case opened against him, might be ethically questionable as well.

 

[roundabout]

Locke was a different case. A case was formally opened against him.

Henao is a a more similar case. He was pulled from the team - after a bull**** story, but in reality he had the same problem as Kreuziger: there might be problem and there might be a case. After 'thorough internal research' a.k.a. giving counter arguments in the proces behind the scenes and waiting on the sideline - Sky decided to let him ride again in Switerzerland.

No, Sky pulled Locke before UCI announced the case. Walsh got the word out end of September, the case was formally opened in December.

 

[Nilsson]

No, Sky pulled Locke before UCI announced the case. Walsh got the word out end of September, the case was formally opened in December.

Just like Heano and Kreuziger have been sidelined (at a certain point). In their cases, however, there hasn't been a follow up - up to this date. Therefore their cases are completely different than Locke's.

 

[roundabout]

Yes, and my original point was that there was nothing in their contracts that prevented them from being suspended by the team prior to any formal announcement about the case being opened.

 

[frenchfry]

In any case I kind of get the feeling that Tinkoff thumbs his nose at anti-doping.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, and my original point was that there was nothing in their contracts that prevented them from being suspended by the team prior to any formal announcement about the case being opened.

Kreuziger was never suspended by his team.

 

[mrhender]

In any case I kind of get the feeling that Tinkoff thumbs his nose at anti-doping.

And probably doesn't involve himself directly in it...
Much better to leave these matters to the proficient Riis.

Should he(Riis) fail to keep a hold of things he will for sure be hold responsible..
And Tinkoff will be utterly surprised -Only to move on to next guy...

 

[Nilsson]

Yes, and my original point was that there was nothing in their contracts that prevented them from being suspended by the team prior to any formal announcement about the case being opened.

The problem is, from a legal point of view, after a while there kind of is. Kreuziger (or Henao) will not have the exact right to ride every race they want, but without a good reason (like a formal case being opened) they have the right to race a satisfying program.

Like I already said: the LL case of last year, where Belkin really didn't want him to ride anymore, showed that again. They weren't allowed to suspend him, and were legally obliged to let him race a decent program.

 

[the sceptic]

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov 1m

We'll sue #UCI for non-disclosure that @Roman86_K had bio passport violations in 09/10 when we signed him in 2012.They knew, and hide this?

Oleg for UCI president!

 

[the sceptic]

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov

I lost millions of euro for not knowing this issue once the contract was cleared by UCI. Now, they have to pay us big bucks for this.

I guess this means Kreuziger is going to get banned soon?

 

[neineinei]

Oleg for UCI president!

Why didn't Oleg look at the ABP data and figure it out himself? Isn't it standard procedure these days to demand the passport data before you sign a contract? UCI has no business handing out confidencial information.

 

[thehog]

Oleg for UCI president!

Can he just buy them and run the UCI himself?

 

[del1962]

Oleg for UCI president!

Already at the first team meeting, where we sat in a conference room, Oleg Tinkov said: 'I do not care what you do, just do not get caught'.

The new Hein

 

[the sceptic]

The new Hein

The new Cookson.

 

[del1962]

The new Cookson.

Well done for trying, but it doesnt really quite work the same as the Hein comparison, but I suspect you know that anyway

 

[frenchfry]

Can he just buy them and run the UCI himself?

Isn't that how USA Cycling works? Or doesn't work, depending on your point of view.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why didn't Oleg look at the ABP data and figure it out himself? Isn't it standard procedure these days to demand the passport data before you sign a contract? UCI has no business handing out confidencial information.

Oleg will say it isn't his job and maybe it isn't since the UCI handles most WT testing.

The bolded is an interesting question. Yet, lots of information is quite leaky.

IMO, Oleg is busy trying to build a "super team" while the UCI's team sponsor revenue are collapsing. That puts Oleg in a great place to demand appearance fees. The UCI will want to stop that.

 

[thehog]

Oleg will say it isn't his job and maybe it isn't since the UCI handles most WT testing.

The bolded is an interesting question. Yet, lots of information is quite leaky.

IMO, Oleg is busy trying to build a "super team" while the UCI's team sponsor revenue are collapsing. That puts Oleg in a great place to demand appearance fees. The UCI will want to stop that.

Just wait to JonnyV armed with his MBA forms and alliance with Oleg! There will be a Russian styled take down in Aigle.

You know "we not like you therefore we buy you"

Cameras on bikes and revenue sharing coming to a TV screen near you.

 

[poupou]

I am going to propose at all team owner the services of our clinic to review the biological passport of any rider they plan to sign.

 

[Benotti69]

If Oleg sues UCI, i guess all his riders will come under scrutiny, does Oleg want that? do the riders want that?

i hope he sues

 

[the sceptic]

If Oleg sues UCI, i guess all his riders will come under scrutiny, does Oleg want that? do the riders want that?

i hope he sues

But if someone tests positive, Oleg might get upset and take his millions to another sport. Does the UCI want that?

 

[neineinei]

Oleg will say it isn't his job and maybe it isn't since the UCI handles most WT testing.

The bolded is an interesting question. Yet, lots of information is quite leaky.

IMO, Oleg is busy trying to build a "super team" while the UCI's team sponsor revenue are collapsing. That puts Oleg in a great place to demand appearance fees. The UCI will want to stop that.

If UCI told the teams that CADF (which is supposed to be independant now) was looking into the data of a rider, and then nothing comes out of the case, the rider is the looser. I'd much rather see Oleg wasting his money than some rider with a good explanation of his values not getting a contract. If we are to belive Tiernan-Locke's sister there are lots of letters sent out to riders about values needing explanation. Meanwhile very few cyclists have been sanctioned on the basis of the biological passport so far. Smarty pants Tinkoff should demand in the contract that the rider must declare any possible pending doping cases. Then he can sue the rider for his lost money. But of course he'd rather sue UCI and take over the whole asylum.

 

[Almeisan]

So Oleg wants to get a heads up from the UCI when one of his riders gives off a blood sample that is a bit suspicious and that might lead to an eventual blood passport case being opened?

If that is done UCI basically tells Tinkoff how to dope without being detected. Like Armstrong/US Postal back in the day?